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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (19434)	1/8/2008 12:34:11 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36921

Get real, deniers! Climate skeptics claim no warming since 1998 Posted by Joseph Romm at 5:06 PM on 07 Jan 2008 Honestly, if anyone tells you "For nearly a decade now, there has been no global warming" -- as this Boston Globe columnist has -- they simply are not interested in seriously trying to understand and deal with the gravest problem facing humanity. They deserve the label "global warming denier" for willfully trying to confuse the public debate. Let's look at the data, from NASA, presented last month (PDF): Through the first 11 months, 2007 is the second warmest year in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean has entered the cool phase of its natural El Niño -- La Niña cycle. Yes, in some global datasets -- not NASA's, however -- 1998 is still the peak year because that year we had global warming plus the warm phase of the natural El Niño-La Niña cycle. But guess what, deniers? Climate change is about a change in the "climate." A single year doesn't make the climate, that's why people use a running average -- in order to show the trend. Duh! NASA points out: The six warmest years in the GISS record have all occurred since 1998, and the 15 warmest years in the record have all occurred since 1988. That would be a trend, as the figure below shows. Figure (a) Annual surface temperature anomaly relative to 1951-1980 mean, based on surface air measurements at meteorological stations and ship and satellite measurements of sea surface temperature; the 2007 point is the 11-month anomaly. [Green error bar is estimated 2s uncertainty ...] All those who say there's been no warming since 1998, you should be happy to take a $1000 bet against the claim that this decade will be warmer than the last one, and that the next decade will be even warmer. Heck, I'll give you 2-1 odds. Anyone who won't take such a generous bet -- you really deserve even odds if you are serious about what you are saying, like the Globe writer who claims we're actually going to start global cooling -- is just trying to confuse the public debate with rhetoric they don't even really believe themselves. And that is the very definition of a global warming denier. By the way deniers, when one of the next five years turns out to be the hottest on record in all the datasets, which is very likely barring a major volcano -- will you admit you were wrong and the planet is warming due to rising human-generated emissions of carbon dioxide as predicted by the scientific community? Somehow, I think not. gristmill.grist.org

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (19434)	1/8/2008 1:47:39 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

Did you see Peter D's post here: Message 24188721 He linked some nonsense from an outfit called the Space and Science Research Center. There website is here: spaceandscience.net It is a real hoot! Take this gem of a paragraph: The Space and Science Research Center, (SSRC) is an independent scientific research facility in Orlando, Florida, USA. The SSRC has begun to establish itself by taking the first step in its initial start up stage.It has activated with a virtual office site and will transition from its current location to permanent facilities with its next round of funding. This start is but the very first though important step as the SSRC begins the normal process of growth toward establishing long term capability and resources to perform its mission. ROTFLMAO: They have started to begin to commence! Further note that per the above they are a "virtual office site" yet their website shows an impressive building in which it is claimed they have offices?? Perhaps their ISP's servers are located there? LOL! Below is the full "About Us" page. Another howler! Headquartered in Orlando, Florida, the Space and Science Research Center (SSRC) is the leading science and engineering research company internationally, that specializes in the analysis of and planning for climate changes based upon the "Relational Cycle Theory." (See Services) SSRC has on its staff of consulting scientists, some of the world's best known experts in the field of solar physics pertaining to the research into the matter of the coming major solar minimum. This major minimum called a "solar hibernation" is forecast to have the potential to cause major world wide agricultural and economic effects. The SSRC also possesses the capability to conduct planning and research into such effects and how best to prepare individuals and governments at all levels for the next climate change to a period of colder weather. John L. Casey Director, Space and Science Research Center Mr. Casey has accumulated over thirty years of professional experience spanning a wide variety of technologies, industries, and international endeavors, to include performing important services as a space policy advisor to the White House, and Congress. He has been a consultant to NASA Headquarters, and conducted satellite launch studies for the Department of Defense. His experience also includes being a former space shuttle engineer, military missile and computer systems officer, advanced rocketry and commercial space developer. He has an extensive executive management background in the start-up and financing of high technology companies. He has a BS degree in Physics and Mathematics and an MA degree in Management. He is active in his community in environmental and conservation activities and was past Chairman of GFSD, an international charity that provided aid to women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan. You can contact Mr. Casey directly at mail@spaceandscience.net But certain elements around here think this is a useful link for the discussion of climate change.