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To: Mannie who wrote (123572)	1/8/2008 11:16:18 PM
From: SiouxPal	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 362860

We owe Patty America a big hug for her advocacy for Hillary Clinton. Women seem to always know more than me. Patricia I offer my salute to your wisdom.

To: Mannie who wrote (123572)	1/9/2008 11:51:04 AM
From: ThirdEye	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 362860

Hillary is the only one that can give them a win, I fear. Not necessarily. I keep looking for evidence of a true progressive heart in that woman and I ain't seen it yet. She is taking serious heat from the left for the establishment coterie she has gathered around her, the DLC, the Clinton admin. retreads like Madeline Albright, Holbrook, etc, dickheads like Terry McCauliffe, now Begala, Mark Penn and frankly, the unavoidable dickhead himself, Bill. She is accused, rightly, of incessantly and obsessively triangulating every issue, But last night she said she has found her own voice. And in the past few days there have been promises of an internal shake-up. So we'll see what happens. To me, it's a real long shot since in politics ya pretty much gotta dance with the one who brung ya, but it really depends on whether she can break out of her scripted mode and start speaking in a genuine and passionate way about anything she really believes. I saw that little teary moment. I thought it was genuine and it kinda makes me shake my head to see people on this thread who are already so passionately tied to one candidate immediately start calling it fake, which is of course exactly what the wingnuts were doing. Bottom line: she's got alot to answer for, but she's not irredeamable. I would stake most everything on this, however: by the time both candidates are chosen, regardless of how they sound now, they will be sounding more and more like tweedledum and tweedledee.

To: Mannie who wrote (123572)	1/9/2008 1:08:25 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 362860

Surprise Parties...Comments By David Brooks campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com January 8, 2008, 11:17 pm This election isn’t only about change, it’s about surprise. Here are the top 10 surprises of New Hampshire primary night, 2008: 1. Republicans voted in nearly the same numbers as Democrats. In Iowa, Democratic interest swamped Republican interest. In New Hampshire, the Democrats had an edge, but it was not huge. 2. The polls on the Democratic side were wrong. Cynics will think this is no surprise, but in fact when you get a dozen polls saying the same thing (Obama by 9), that usually predicts the final result. The Obama people thought the polls were right. I’ve spent a lot of time with Clinton people recently. From their sour expressions, you know they thought the polls were right. But they weren’t. 3. Money is not god. Mitt Romney has spent roughly $80 million and run more ads than even Clinton and Obama. He’s 0 for 2. 4. Working-class women stuck with Hillary. The secret to her success, and the reason she may win the election in November (if she gets that far) is that less-educated women like her. Better-educated women are ambivalent, but the so-called waitress moms will stick with Hillary through thick and thin. 5. Republicans who oppose the war went for McCain, but Republicans who strongly support the war went for Romney. Go figure. The root, I suspect, is that McCain gets the Republican anti-Bush vote. New Hampshirites remember the last race and figure he’s so ornery he’s anti-Bush. 6. McCain won among voters concerned about the economy. He hasn’t articulated this as much, but McCain does understand middle-class anxiety. He’d better beef up that side of his agenda as he goes into Michigan. 7. Giuliani is fading. He spent more than Huckabee or McCain in New Hampshire. Voters like him. They just don’t see him offering anything. 8. Character counts. O.K., this is no surprise. But this is Romney’s downfall. Republican voters like him on the issues, they just don’t trust him. People say he can rebound in Michigan, but he’s not so strong there. He’s up by a mere 1 percent in polls there, and he’s way behind in South Carolina. He’s run out of firewalls. 9. Crying works. I have no data to back this up. But Hillary’s human moment must have helped. Expect Romney to cry a river of tears at the next press conference. 10. Politics ain’t beanbag. New Hampshire voters may have been inspired, but they wanted Wal-Mart. They wanted a candidate who could deliver good services at low prices. Hillary was the practical choice.