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To: geode00 who wrote (76057)	1/18/2008 11:13:21 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

The Fall of the House of Bush: The Untold Story of How a Band of True Believers Seized the Executive Branch, Started the Iraq War, and Still Imperils America's Future by Craig Unger amazon.com Product Description The presidency of George W. Bush has led to the worst foreign policy decision in the history of the United States -- the bloody, unwinnable war in Iraq. How did this happen? Bush's fateful decision was rooted in events that began decades ago, and until now this story has never been fully told. From Craig Unger, the author of the bestseller House of Bush, House of Saud, comes a comprehensive, deeply sourced, and chilling account of the secret relationship between neoconservative policy makers and the Christian Right, and how they assaulted the most vital safeguards of America's constitutional democracy while pushing the country into the catastrophic quagmire in the Middle East that is getting worse day by day. Among the powerful revelations in this book: Why George W. Bush ignored the sage advice of his father, George H.W. Bush, and took America into war. How Bush was convinced he was doing God's will. How Vice President Dick Cheney manipulated George W. Bush, disabled his enemies within the administration, and relentlessly pressed for an attack on Iraq. Which veteran government official, with the assent of the president's father, protested passionately that the Bush administration was making a catastrophic mistake -- and was ignored. How information from forged documents that had already been discredited fourteen times by various intelligence agencies found its way into President Bush's State of the Union address in which he made the case for war with Iraq. How Cheney and the neocons assembled a shadow national security apparatus and created a disinformation pipeline to mislead America and start the war. A seasoned, award-winning investigative reporter connected to many back-channel political and intelligence sources, Craig Unger knows how to get the big story -- and this one is his most explosive yet. Through scores of interviews with figures in the Christian Right, the neoconservative movement, the Bush administration, and sources close to the Bush family, as well as intelligence agents in the CIA, the Pentagon, and Israel, Unger shows how the Bush administration's certainty that it could bend history to its will has carried America into the disastrous war in Iraq, dooming Bush's presidency to failure and costing America thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. Far from ensuring our security, the Iraq War will be seen as a great strategic pivot point in history that could ignite wider war in the Middle East, particularly in Iran. Provocative, timely, and disturbing, The Fall of the House of Bush stands as the most comprehensive and dramatic account of how and why George W. Bush took America to war in Iraq.

To: geode00 who wrote (76057)	1/19/2008 1:04:15 AM
From: LTK007	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

In my attack on the herd , that is, the not caring or not paying attention or for their slobbing up propaganda i am finding another group and its' ranks are building in number, these are the ones that feel a pox on all their houses and are pulling into a shell turtle style on having had the revelation their views will never be heard that all is now full of the sound and the furious Bull Sh-t signifying nothing. They just now are trying to be good people within their own life and tune out the world out as their bitter and quite real experiences has taught them a hard lesson, that is, to be involved in politics in this world is to be involved in a farce.(Such i decisionof withdrawal is perfectly compatible with therights of individuality, and should be respected by those chanters of "stay involved' in this BS, please!) Where they 4 years ago were charged up against say the Iraq War, they have gone silent because they are gone through all the time since the 2004 election only to see that their vote was disrespected to an extreme and to a defiling degree. The horror of the democratic party's betrayal has done so much dreadful damage to the the democratic party that i will say 20% that got out and voted for the lesser of evil of two terrible picks, and voted for Kerry; will not vote for either presidential candidate, they sense the failure of democracy and learned the brutal lesson in trying to believe we actually have one. These retreating voters will include all those that have loyalty to Ron Paul and/or Dennis Kucinich as they have witnessed how the powers marginalize and adroitly spin the two into being but "fringies". i myself am one this group. i now feel shame that i bought the lesser evil BS(which i vocally disdained before i voted) and did cop out and vote for Kerry. i am here to present a reality and that is as much as 20% that voted for Kerry in 2008, will not vote for either republican or democratic Presidential candidate in 2008. i write this to this thread as a reality message to those that are perhaps political junkies, to say the "we have had it" non-political junkies have been lost to you, we have left the the decaying, crumbling edifice cruelly called Democracy---yes we have left the building. Of those candidates that have a real chance to get the nomination, yes only Obama, do i see as possibly throwing off the Israeli Lobby and the War Party, that bipartisan power house, but we will not ever risk being so betrayed again. We will not bevoting or will be voting awrite-in or if someone like Paul ran as an independent/ or on an anti-war liberterian ticket. But even now the Libertarian Party is destroying itself with destructive battle between pro-war libertarians and anti-war libertarians.The anti-war Libertarians aretrue to what the Libertarian Party was founded on, it was founded on thefoundation of anti-imperialism and no war ever be fought unless it is a manifesly obvios to all war in self defense(9/11 was not even REMOTELY such a case--it was a cult attack that with a hardcore membership at the time that was at best 5,000). My 'politics' are a strange mix of StudsTerkel and Robinson Jeffers. Terkel of a new deal socialist bent and Jeffers a anti-war Libertarian. i have been compatible with these supposed opposites, and to StudsTerket who is still extraordinarily alive in his mind, asproven with recently releast memoirs, that blaze with a vital mind. But in an interview i recently heard he spoke disdainfully of the politics in america, he feels the generation now, the Boomers and younger, are in the overall frightenly ignorant. He is appalled at what america has become and that includes the Democratic Party. As for Jeffers, he prophesized what we have become, his dark view of the future has come to being. As for who will be the next POTUS, i don't really care, this train America is heading for hell and will take the world with it. i close with "Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters, it doesn't take a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows!! from Subterranean Homesick Blues, OF COURSE. and as Looney Tunes close "And thhatthat that's all folks!" Max90