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To: Rambi who wrote (235283)	1/20/2008 3:01:13 PM
From: Geoff Altman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793846

You don't have to believe this, he would say, but you have to sing it as if you do. It's all about the music. That sums it up quite nicely....

To: Rambi who wrote (235283)	1/20/2008 4:26:46 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793846

I imagine that most of us agree with that too, Rambi...Well said, as usual!

To: Rambi who wrote (235283)	1/20/2008 4:35:15 PM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793846

A minister in a church I once attended said that more Christians were won by music than by ministers. So how can we say there is no God if we can plainly see and hear music?

To: Rambi who wrote (235283)	1/20/2008 7:32:50 PM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793846

Rambi........did you see this post by DMA? Message 24218548 On your recommendation, I'm reading Wild Swans..........really wonderful. Mao had to have been one of the most inept and unintelligent figures that ever lived. It's too bad the people of China still have to endure the pain of forced adoration their leaders insist be given that monster. And I think the look of confusion fits perfectly.

To: Rambi who wrote (235283)	1/21/2008 12:14:51 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793846

Yes Rambi. <To replace O Holy Night with Frosty the Snowman appalls me. It's the liberal counterpart to the religious who want to ban the teaching of Darwin and others in the classroom. The ground is getting littered with babies and bathwater. > I'm a registered atheist but I LIKE religious stuff in a togetherness way and in the non-superstitious parts [generally, without the stonings and hand choppings] of the philosophical foundations [generally]. I like pondering the imponderable. I celebrate Xmas because Jesus Christ [from what I understand], like Mqurice Winn, was a Libertarian = the individual, free will, self-determination, and the philosophical foundations of brotherhood of man [let's leave aside the genderist linquistics for now] in cahoots with the laws of nature, versus the Mighty State Collective of the Roman Empire where totalitarianism was the rule and the horrors of the arenas saw legions of people tormented to death for entertainment, and to keep the mob in thrall to the rulers. Plus it's a jolly good family time. Plus I love "Oh Holy Night" and other Xmas music. One of our daughters was Mary carrying baby Jesus through a crowd of thousands when she was about 8 or so. I was not in the slightest worried that she might be contaminated by superstition as a result. She had and has a mind which works just fine. I would not have allowed her to do that in Islamic surroundings as they'd probably kill us all if they found that Mary was actually an unbelieving infidel. I thought Christians would be charitable about such an interloper. She was selected by the school, not us. It was a great experience for her. My father was a headmaster of primary schools. He wasn't worried about religious instruction at the schools [about half an hour three days a week] as he thought the children could cope and mostly [he said] the instructors were so hopeless that the children could see what a load of malarkey was being spouted [which is as I remember it at school]. What we see is not what we get. There are lurking in the cosmos puzzles enough to keep anyone bewildered. Anyone half conscious should be very suspicious of what the heck is going on. Which is not to say that any crank who puts women's clothes on after visiting a mountain top to get a direct and personal hot-line to Go- should be treated with reverence as being a variety of messiah who should be put in charge of the money, the monuments and the girls [or boys all too often]. I like a good religious sing a long myself. School assembly was quite enjoyable in that respect [not at all were the songs all religious - we also had militaristic ones]. I have held hands in a circle with religious people in California. I didn't feel contaminated or threatened. I felt flattered [being the centre of the gathering, the prayer being that my trip would be successful and the aircraft wouldn't crash - I shared the sentiments]. Now I have read of LindyBill's illness, I have sent him some Genki Dama en.wikipedia.org I was going to say I was rooting for him, but I can't find my original comments which so enraged him [because he didn't understand them] when I made them to Faultline when he suffered a serious health crash. My SI membership isn't high enough for my search to find it. He'll have to make do with Genki Dama [which should be enough]. Mqurice

To: Rambi who wrote (235283)	1/21/2008 11:25:28 AM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793846

BTW I don't know of anyone specifically that wants to ban the teachings of Darwin and others in school. Course I don't live, and have never lived in the South where most of these type cases originate if I remember correctly? And I sure haven't read as much as I should on the subject. (maybe you could provide names?) And even if there were a few that wished to ban the teaching of Darwin and others, they are up against an army that wants them to totally disappear off the face of the Earth. At least that is how it seems to me after reading some comments I've found here on SI and elsewhere. Anyone that wants to ban the teachings of Darwin and others is just as intolerant and bigoted as those who wish to, and have successfully banned the teaching of ID. What I understand it to be about is allowing ID to be taught in school too. (Not in science class please) Am I misunderstanding, or is the issue really just that one dimensional? In any event anyone that wants to ban something as interesting and teachable as ID is a frightened bully imo. I don't believe that people who teach ID have to believe in ID, just as those who teach Darwinism don't necessarily have to believe we all evolved from Apes. Us vs them! This or that! No exceptions! It's the liberal counterpart to the religious who want to ban the teaching of Darwin and others in the classroom. The ground is getting littered with babies and bathwater.