To: TobagoJack who wrote (27986 ) 1/20/2008 4:09:47 PM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218072 Freedom Taiwan style: <Until martial law was lifted in 1987 and Taiwan began embracing democracy, even talking about independence could mean a prison sentence. > Freedom China style: < But Pan Yu-hsin, a 29-year-old graduate student from Taipei, said Chen's campaign reinforces Taiwan's freedoms. "I can criticize Taiwanese leaders now without any problem. But if we unite with China, what will happen if I criticize officials then?" he asked. "I do not want to be arrested for speaking my mind." > But now, one of them is better than the other. China might catch up. If Taiwan is taken over by China, Pan Yu-hsin would be shot in the face by Jay Chen's idols if he spoke his mind. If he tried to escape, Jay Chen's soldiers or police would shoot him in the back. I can see why the great majority of Taiwanese like a similar relationship to that between New Zealand and Australia. But it's a situation of shifting sands with greater and lesser political and economic integration. NZ was part of New South Wales, then it was independent, it was part of Great Britain and the British Empire, but more and more it became independent, though I still owe allegiance, aka serfdom, to Queen Elizabeth II who I prefer to Helen Clark and her coven. NZ and OZ have arranged CER, Closer Economic Relations, for 25 years or so. Nobody has talked of shooting each other [between NZ and OZ], though people did get hot under the collar when OZ bowled under-arm for the final ball of a cricket match decades ago. China and Taiwan should send study groups to NOZ [a good name for a combination] to see how civilized people discuss economic and political integration. Heck, they could even visit Britain to see how Europe, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Ireland [north and south] have got on together without carrying on like the 19th century and first half of 20th. There is no Taiwanese "end-game" TJ. When you get to "the end", it just carries on regardless. You are confusing life with chess. In life, there are just continuously shifting affiliations. Recommendation - see Fiddler on the Roof. Your approval of shooting people in the face for expressing opinions and in the back if they try to escape is fit for barbarian times. We the Civilized think differently. You would have been an excellent East German border guard at the Berlin Wall. Mqurice