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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (46682)	1/24/2008 9:26:44 AM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 541957

If someone said that Hitler's speeches were powerful do we then assume that person must approve of Hitler's murder of millions of people? Bill Maher was fired from ABC for saying that the 9/11 suicide pilots were brave. The fact that they were, by definition, brave, never entered into the rationale. Just as there is a range of unthinkable thought, so too is there a range of inutterable utterances.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (46682)	1/25/2008 9:38:53 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 541957

<<<What he insinuated was that Reagan did a remarkable job of generating enthusiasm for Reagan's policies and that his policies changed the course of the country.>>> Not that I want to belabor this point but just out of curiosity what were these Reagan policies that changed the course of history? <<<He's not trying to further the Reagan policies, just the opposite, but he is trying to generate the kind of crossover support and independent support that Reagan built. If he can get that support then he can possibly push past all the special interest attuned lawmakers and create real change.>>> Even if that were true, isn't that like saying I disagree with Hitler and all the crimes he committed but I sure like the enthusiasm he created across a broad spectrum of German society to make the trains run on time, build the autobahn, inspire the volkswagen, and turn around the economy for the greater good of most Germans? Regardless, I didn't see anything in Obama's statement that even hinted at reversing Reagan policies. <<<And Obama's the only candidate who could possibly pull that off. Ask your friends who are on the other side of the political divide what they think about a Clinton presidency and then ask them about an Obama presidency. Like a lot of others on this board, I've done that and it's remarkable how many of them will say, "I might even vote for Obama.">>> I had a similar experience back in 1968 and 1972. I didn't know anyone or even knew anyone that knew anyone that voted for Richard Nixon. I just did not know enough people to get a true sense of what the true moods of country were. But the bigger question is whether great speeches and vision translate into real change. Isn't this, as Bill Clinton said with regards to Obama, a roll of the dice? Wasn't that George W. Bush's argument about not having to manage things and that he could appoint people to handle the details? Haven't we been down this path before?