To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (110811 ) 2/2/2008 11:10:37 PM From: Skeeter Bug Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 132070 >>We are all our own worst enemies.<< that's quite the transformation. *very* impressive. having said that, it ended up worthless. i'd argue the problem was diet... i *love* to work out due to my diet. i *love* to grind the muscles. i jones for the gym on my days off. i love it, and i'm NOT genetically gifted. 2.5 prior to zoning, i didn't work out once. no energy, felt bad, felt lethargic. you seem to be in very good health. my guess is you are quite a bit more genetically gifted than i. for example, my high school cross country claim to fame was *never* finishing dead last. ;-) my wind was awful, even with training, and gaining muscle was very hard. somehow, i don't think you ever had a similar problem - but do correct me if i'm wrong. even if i stopped exercising, i wouldn't put on much weight. i'd stay about even. i'm not hungry and feel fabulous, so why eat more and feel worse? makes no sense. >>For most this is impossible no matter how much you train. Very few can bench 25% more then their body weight, you need good genetics . I have trained with a lot of the Patriots over the years and as they lose weight their bench presses go down pound for pound.<< i may not be able to do it - but you'll know either way b/c i will post my progressions. i can already bench 14% more than my weight once, and i've only bench pressed 5 months out of the last 19 years, so I'm off to a good start. :-) i can drop another ~8 lbs without touching a bit of muscle, so that alone will budge that 14% up to 20% without gaining a lb on my lifts (and i'm progressing 5 lbs about every 3 weeks). i should be around 25% above my body weight (+10 lbs to 190 lb top bench at 150 lbs is 26.7% above my body weight) within 3 months without too much of a problem - and loving every minute. no, i'm not genetically gifted, either. i am gaining strength faster than when i was in my late teens and early 20s in spite of my nerve damage issue. i have nerve damage in my left arm that limits what i can do (i can do pull ups, but use the assisted pull up machine to limit stress across my elbow and focus on the use of cables to work my back with straight arm exercises). it's the diet**, money. it. is. no. joke. btw, i have a friend who makes muscle while sleeping. he does no weight training beyond doing push ups (lots of them, but still). he's 210 lbs, went into the gym out of curiosity (since i started working out) and benched 295 lbs with no weight training beyond those push ups. three times. much of that 210 is excess fat, so he could *easily* trim down to 190 lbs (4 months, tops) and gain another 15 lbs on his bench - that's about 60% over his weight. yes, he is genetically gifted. i often end up guarding him while playing basketball and it is no kind of fun. ;-) he got on the zone for the first time this past week. he didn't say much until he *crashed* and was *stunned* how crappy he felt once he ate out of the zone. that's a good first step. ** the anti-aging zone (also called the age free zone) book explains why the zone elevates testosterone and hgh levels (both critical to muscle repair and formation). i really enjoyed that book. ps - when i can bench 205 lbs 8/6/4 at less than 165 lbs (~25% above my body weight 8 times), will you learn and implement the zone for 2 months? ;-) pss - i'm planning to set a personal record in 400m this summer (sub 66 seconds, told i wasn't gifted). i used to hate running and cardio, now i look forward to it.