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To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (46945)1/27/2008 9:32:17 AM
From: epicure  Respond to of 542915
 
I think people are smart enough (I hope they are) to realize Obama is no Jesse Jackson, just as Hillary is no Strom Thurmond.

Obama is black. We've got to admit that. If we pretend he isn't, then all the healing his presidency could accomplish is minimized. It's great he's black. It's great because it marginalizes people like Jesse Jackson who can't say "He's black, so what?" Jesse has to say "He's black and the black man has suffered in this country and thus deserves...."

While the black man has suffered in this country, so have a lot of other men and women. We can't make up for all the past wrongs, and we need to move on, and I think the beauty of Obama is that he appears to be the kind of guy who COULD move on, and move us all along with him.

Now Hillary isn't Strom, and she probably has the same thoughts about Obama I had at the beginning of the election cycle- namely "America won't vote for a black president. They'll say they will, but then they won't, and the democrats will lose." You can say all the mean things you want to about Hillary, I don't really care, but I do think she, and Bill, care about democratic politics. They aren't flaming liberals (like myself), but they like most of the same things I do. That's not an act. So if her campaign talks about race, it's on those terms, and not on the terms of some real racist like Strom. That's my thinking, anyway. I can understand why they think he's "like Jesse". But I hope he isn't. I hope America is ready to elect a black man (or a mixed race man, if you prefer), and I hope that man will be Obama. What a milestone that will be for us. Some folks say it won't be, but it will be. My students, even my Hispanic students, and especially my black students, feel this in a tremendously personal way- and why shouldn't they? 200+ years of white male presidents. Why shouldn't a person of color feel marginalized? As a woman I know I feel marginalized, but at least the presidents were married to people like me. The only people of color in the White House for a long time were the servants.



To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (46945)1/27/2008 10:46:18 AM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542915
 
Glenn, fwiw my own take on Bill Clinton's comments are that the media is blowing them all out of proportion. I'm not happy with them but they are classic, low level elements of what passes for national political campaigns these days. And, as I've said here before, I don't think they are even close to what will be used in the general election campaigns.

If Obama wins the nomination, this will all be simply a bit of toughening up.



To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (46945)1/27/2008 12:49:33 PM
From: Cogito  Respond to of 542915
 
Glenn -

Yes, I do see your point. It's pretty clear what the Clintons are trying to do. I think it's despicable.

I just hope it will backfire on them.

- Allen