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To: Katelew who wrote (47722)	2/2/2008 5:04:40 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541395

We will have disagreements before, during and after every war we get into. Like you, I have more respect for the folks who have been in combat and still choose to go again; as opposed to the Beltway think-tank chickenhawks who bent the intelligence to get us into Iraq. The tricky part about Iraq is not getting into the "you must have loved Saddam" trap that awaits anyone who opposed Bush. If Obama is the nominee his staffers need to put together thorough guidance language for countering that.

To: Katelew who wrote (47722)	2/2/2008 5:25:44 PM
From: Suma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541395

All those who fought in Viet Nam are heros to me . One does not have to have been a prisoner of war to make one a hero. My relative who fought there in battles and killed has never been the same in his mind. He suffers still from PTSS...and has drunk heavily. His job is driving a cement truck. He never did more than that with his life. One of the reasons I respect Cnyndwllr so much is that is a vet and fought in Nam. Not only are some of his posts the most relevant and thoughtful but they mean more to me as he has had the experience... Most of us here are naive about war. WE only know we don't like it,read what it has caused but to have been there and participated and watched those who were your buddies die.. That is a different thing. I do not understand McCain and his war cries but I do not like him because of this.

To: Katelew who wrote (47722)	2/2/2008 6:20:40 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 541395

My father sounds a lot like yours. He was a marine, and a hero, and a recipient of the purple heart. Not only that he was a hero later in life- I have one of those commendation resolutions from the California State Senate for his bravery in confronting a gunman who killed several people while on a shooting rampage. My father, then in his 50's, attacked the gunman, and was shot point blank through the chest, and almost died- but he also knocked the firing pin out of the rifle, so the shooter did not kill anyone else. Interestingly my father transferred from the marine infantry (he was at Guadalcanal) to become a bomber (of Japanese gardens, he said) in WWII. My father had zero enthusiasm for war. He would have thought the idea of preemptive war shocking beyond belief.

To: Katelew who wrote (47722)	2/3/2008 2:15:46 AM
From: Patricia Trinchero	Respond to of 541395

I once liked Mc Cain and would have voted for him had he ran instead of George II in 2000. After he embraced the Iraq policies of George II lost my interest and a great deal of respect for the man. I certainly respect his service and his experiences as a POW but something resonated with me today as I heard him talk about Iraq on the radio. AS a POW he clung to a no surrender policy which was obviously engrained in him and may have kept him alive and focused. He may not be able to deprogram that program from his brain as the pain of his experience is likely to be beyond his full recollection at this point in time ( the brain will only allow one to experience what it can handle and will not allow one to recognize that which is too painful to tolerate). I think John McCain cannot EVER deprogram himself into retreat mode cause it would set him up for too many far too painful personal questions to answer that surround his POW captivity. For this reason I believe him unfit for service as a President who will need to back off and out of many different kinds of situations over his or her tenure in the office. Today I head him saying the he would never, never, never, never, never, ever consider surrendering or throwing in the white flag in Iraq. The words of Kenny Rogers seem so sensible to me now: " Know when to hold um, know when to fold um, know when to walk away and know when to run". It's at least time to start walking. Pat