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To: Dale Baker who wrote (47869)	2/4/2008 12:07:32 PM
From: Patricia Trinchero	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541518

The right wing will bring out all the stops and dirty politics works.................that's why it's used. I remember Kerry said he was going to avoid using dirty politics...................did him lots of good.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (47869)	2/4/2008 12:08:59 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541518

Well, she did that after the "right wing conspiracy" had been working against her for at least the length of the Clinton presidency. Well documented. And, no doubt about it, that campaign goes back well beyond 92.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (47869)	2/4/2008 12:35:51 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541518

Dale, if Hillary Clinton had never uttered those words, the right-wing machine.....527s, talk radio, Fox News, print media, gerrymandering, etc. etc.....would STILL have achieved their objectives. Her statement was an OBSERVATION of forces at work that began forming during the Reagan years, and it was a WARNING. The well was already poisoned. Hillary just pointed out what was obvious to anyone who followed the rise of the modern Republican Party and the demise of the GOP. The failures of the Bush administration were a logical end to things, and the Clintons were just an annoying speedbump in that process. This movement and its powerfully effective attack machine was an assault on the Democratic party itself. ANY democrat elected President in 1992 would have faced the same underhanded attacks and might not have governed with the degree of fiscal responsibility that Bill Clinton did. Do you think that Hillary's statement brought on the attacks and the polarization between the parties? Is there some kind of causality behind your statement? Also would you not like a return to the structure of the economy we had during the Clinton administration?

To: Dale Baker who wrote (47869)	2/4/2008 2:43:47 PM
From: Suma	Respond to of 541518

I truly believe that there was a vast right wing conspiracy against the Clinton's led by Richard Scarif from Pittsburgh and his billions... He hated the Clinton's and spent large sums to denigrate everything that either of them did. Ken Starr was a product of this conspiracy. I felt it, didn't you all. There was not a thing that could be done in the White house without an investigation by Starr. It was one investigation after another and one would produce nothing... but not how the right wing remembers it...and so on to the next. If was unfortunate that Bill played right into their hands at the end. I still think he might have pulled off a coup if he had not lied. I think it was some of his advisers who told him to do this too. He should have come from his heart and just sat in front of the TV camera and told the truth and apologized for his lack of good judgement etc.