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To: Alan Smithee who wrote (238281)	2/10/2008 9:45:27 PM
From: ig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793958

So, basically, if one is a Democratic primary voter, your vote doesn't count. Looks that way, doesn't it. What a farce.

To: Alan Smithee who wrote (238281)	2/10/2008 10:08:32 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793958

Even worse for Republicans in Mn. The caucuses elect delegates to the district conventions. The district conventions elect delegates to the state convention. The state convention elects delegates to the National convention. Delegates to the National convention can theoretically vote for any Presidental candidate they want. Yet out of that mess the delegate counters some how manage to allocate the Mn delegates to one candidate or an other. Mysterious how THAT works.

To: Alan Smithee who wrote (238281)	2/10/2008 11:56:05 PM
From: MJ	Respond to of 793958

VIRGINIA PRIMARY ELECTIONS: If you have a friend or relative in Virginia who will be voting on February 12th, feel free to pass this along. This may help with understanding about the purpose of the February 12th Primary and the allocation of Delegates to the National Conventions for the two parties later in the year. ****************************************************** REPUBLICAN: thegreenpapers.com "Tuesday 12 February 2008: Virginia Primary. The winner of Virginia Republican Primary will receive all of Virginia's 63 votes on the first ballot at the national convention, unless released by the candidate. The Delegates are not bound on any subsequent ballot, or for a vice presidential candidate, or for any particular issue in the platform." After the Primary there is a series of meetings for the purpose of electing Republicans who will go to the National Convention: Mass Meetings Congressional District Meetings State Convention National Convention NOTE THAT THE DELEGATES WHO GO TO THE NATIONAL CONVENTION ARE NOT BOUND BEYOND THE FIRST BALLOT. *************************************************** DEMOCRAT PARTY: thegreenpapers.com "Tuesday 12 February 2008: 83 of 101 delegates to the Democratic National Convention are allocated to presidential contenders based on the results of the voting in today's Virginia Presidential Primary. A mandatory 15 percent threshold is required in order for a presidential contender to be allocated National Convention delegates at either the congressional district or statewide level." The Virginia Democrat Party does not go by the principle of Robert's Rules that would stipulate that the majority winner in the Primary on February 12th is credited with all of the Delegates. (See the link as it is rather complex.) Their system is one based on Proportional Representation. Each candidate getting votes is given a part of the total of 83 Virginia Democrat Delegates. The other 101-83=18 are apportioned differently with a certain number going to the National Convention not committed to vote for any given candidate. The Democrat Party also has a series of caucuses and State Convention at which their Delegates to the National Convention are chosen. (See link for details) *********************************************************** As I understand these two systems, the main difference between the two methods by the two parties is as follows: REPUBLICAN PARTY DELEGATES: Go Committed to vote for the single winner of the Virginia Primary based upon a simple majority vote of the voters. DEMOCRAT PARTY DELEGATES: About 82% of the Virginia Delegates go to the National Convention based on the amount of votes received in the state primary. About 18% of the Virginia Delegates go to the National Democrat Convention not committed to vote for any single candidate----uncomitted to a given candidate. Democrats also have a caucus and Convention system that elects the people of Virginia who will be delegates to the National Convention. (See the link for full details.) mj@clearasmud (Disclaimer, as noted this is about as clear as mud-----the main thing is to go and vote in the Primary.)