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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: HPilot who wrote (21140)	2/12/2008 11:15:36 AM
From: TideGlider	Respond to of 224717

In the previous election they passed around a completely fabricated post they alleged Thomas Jefferson made. Turned out they quoted Wikipedia and sure enough it was there, contributed by someone from India. The funny coincidence was Chinu had placed it in his opening post of his thread. He refused to remove it when he was given proof it didn't exist. Eventually he yielded. I am not saying Chinu was aware that it was incorrect when he first posted it. Only he would know that. Hopefully they removed the entry by now.

To: HPilot who wrote (21140)	2/12/2008 11:29:17 AM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 224717

It's the religious right which is lying about the Founding Fathers and Lincoln being religious. They were definitely not. At the very most they were deists, that is they believed in the general concept of a higher being (the ultimate mystery in other words) or "God" ("In God we trust") but not necessarily a Christian God, and certainly not a Jewish God. You have to remember that after the Oliver Cromwell religious persecution in England these Founders were very wary of abuses of power by organized religion, particularly when it seized state powers. So the religious right has to lie to make any argument here, and they seem to have no ethics about lying and misrepresenting at all, and neither did Mitt Romney. That quote BTW is not from an "Athiest" site, I've never even seen such a site, it comes from a history of religion in America. Rather is it the religious right who are busy trying to change quotes, like when Bakker tried to change the meaning of a"a rich man has as much chance getting into heaven as a camel through a needle's eye".