To: DuckTapeSunroof who wrote (26030 ) 2/12/2008 5:53:48 PM From: TimF Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 71588 both possible variations You lay out to possible variations, neither one of which is the actual question. you haven't answered my request for clarification I've clarified more than once. ONE way, if your question about the 'effects of Bush's tax changes' was considered IN ISOLATION, exclusive of all other real world factors and all other Bush budget policies. AND, the SECOND POSSIBLE WAY, if it was considered in the real world context, in combination with all of his budget polices, as the net result. To consider the effect of the tax change, in the context of the spending change and all other changes or events, but not to evaluate the spending change itself. We both disagree with federal spending policies over the last 7 years. But those policies are not the same as or part of the tax policies. They can be considered separately, and still in the real world, not some computer model or ideal fictional situation. Saying "Bush's policies where bad" (or good for that matter) doesn't rate the tax changes since they are only part of policy. You can consider each separate peace of the policy separately without having to place it in some computer simulation. Your present two possibilities and ignore all others 1 - Total isolation, where you just look at one thing, and act as if the others never happened, 2 - Total integration, where you look at every single policy and rate them as a whole. In doing so you present a false dilemma, because there are other choices. Just one of which is that you can rate one specific policy, in the context of the other policies, without rating those policies (treat it as the environment where the policy decision takes place, and only rate that policy)