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To: Rink who wrote (3359)2/14/2008 1:21:13 AM
From: Pam  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4590
 
a. Only Intel and Spansion reported higher inventory, right? Spansion has a book to bill of 1.3 so it's not exactly a disaster. Intel is loosing share, but it's difficult for them to win back market share with a price war as that would make the creation and financing of Numonyx more complex. It's not exactly impossible that this is a sufficient enough reason not to start a price war for all involved. There's a lot riding on exactly this question: Whether or not there will be a new price war.

You are looking at the micro picture, I am looking at macro picture. NOR industry has some structural problems and I am not talking about one Q's worth of inventory at either company. In any case, we will have to wait till Numonyx is spun off.

b. Somewhat true. NOR market is projected to continue to grow. Slowly but still for years to come. It's a mature market.

As I have said before, there is not going to be much growth in NOR market but Spansion can still grow by snatching market share from others with higher cost/bit. Spansion has spent a lot of money (and will spend more this year) on SP1, hope they can get a decent RoI. They are already paying about 90mm in interest expense/year and this could go up if they borrow more. It is not a big amount when you have 2.6B in sales but certainly a significant amount when the margins are low.

c. True. It'll be quite difficult for Spansion if they don't reach BE in H2. They've got a very good roadmap on how to get there which makes me believe it'll work out provided that there's no price war like start last year (quite similar to your comments).

It will all depend on NOR ASPs going forward. Also, SPSN will be doing most of the spending for 2008 in 1H08 and GM improvements will come in 2H08.

I think Numonyx will cut costs and move to higher margin business in order to achieve BE in order to obtain financing for their emty Catania fab. This might mean continually decreasing outsourcing to both its parents (Numonyx has only got one 200mm fab, and will keep running it at ~100% capacity), as well as focus on smaller nodes. In short I think they'll go for higher profitability at the cost of lower market share.

Again, we will have to wait and see what kind of manufacturing capacity does Numonyx have in place when they are cut loose. One should not ignore competition from Samsung.

Samsung can't grab share from Spansion that easily because of the same reasons:
- Spansion's lower cost / Mb for NOR in all except very high end where (One- and other sorts of) NAND/xRAM combo's compete,
- Spansion's more diversified portfolio, and on top of that
- Spansions market position (they're not a cell phone competitor like Samsung is; Nokia isn't likely to buy much from Samsung even if there would be a slight cost benefit).


I disagree. Samsung can be ruthless. Spansion's financial situation is not hidden. Samsung could keep dumping below cost for several Q's and drive Spansion into a corner. They have plenty of capacity and will be aggressive once a clearer picture emerges on Numonyx.

This is btw also why we are silly enough to compare cost of NOR with cost of NAND: Because they already compete with each other in high towards mid end mobile phones.

You haven't seen much competition yet in the cell phone markets. Wait and see what happens in the next couple of years. Spansion's revs in this market will keep shrinking. Do you guys have any idea about prices for NOR memory relative to NAND based MCPs?

BTW2: Spansion has diversified the most in the mature NOR market and start to leverage their solutions outside of it, albeit slowly.

This will certainly help them in the future.