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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (20321)	2/14/2008 1:48:47 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

Ah, you finally woke up did you? N.America vs. the World. As expected, no admission from you that you screwed up or were confused. Just more blither that the scientists must be wrong because it does not match your intuition. Now a little test for you. Since you think 1934 must surely also be the hottest for the earth, please do go find ANY temperature record for the global or even N.H averages which show it being the hottest. Then we can discuss it. So far, your line of reasoning on climate is smack identical to that of creationists talking about evolution. One piece of confused nonsense after another, with constant references to dubious scientists, and then a fall back on your own "commonsense" and claims that something must be wrong with all the details those wicked scientists do. In creationism/evolution there is even a name for this: The Gish Gallop. It refers to the standard creationist debate tactic of spewing a dozen sound bites of confusion (lies, misunderstandings, appeals to commonsense, etc) in one minute, each one of which would require 5 minutes from the scientist to correct. Please note that I posted graphs of the correct information from reputable sources. Your turn to post some graphs from reputable sources backing up your claims. And don't bother posting graphs for N.America. I already know what they look like, and have zero problem with them. Please post graphs to back up your nonsense claims about the global temp, or even the N.H temps that invalidate Mann.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (20321)	2/15/2008 1:07:47 AM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

You can claim the 1930's warming only happened in the US and was offset by cooling elsewhere in the world What's next. The only guys who know how to measure temperature live in America and went to home school? * Would you like a piece of humble pie? Check how the ozone hole was discovered. The USA had satellites looking at ozone in the upper atmosphere but found no trends because they calibrated them out of the measurements. /edit * opps I forgot something "and drive hummers" -lol-