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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: neolib who wrote (20517)	2/19/2008 3:32:53 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

1) AGW does not in itself say anything about warming till humans have major problems. Anyone who expresses any doubt gets blasted as a global warming denier. The term can mean anything from "the Earth has warmed a little bit because of some form human action but it will stop soon, or it will be fairly slow and not problematic, perhaps even positive" to "the earth is warming rapidly, entirely or at least mostly because of human emitted CO2, and that pace will speed up if we don't cut CO2 emissions, and the result of this warming will be disastrous for people around the world", If your actually discussing the issue and possible reactions to it than specific terms for specific levels of the idea. If the idea is simply that humans have probably had a net effect of adding upward pressure to temperatures, and that average temperatures have climbed in recent decades than I'm not a AGW skeptic (despite some of the problems with the data). I'm not a "true believe" either, but on the balance, the evidence would seem to indicate that 1 - There has been recent warming, and 2 - Its reasonably likely, that human activity has contributed to this warming. If that's all you want to say than count me in, if not enthusiastically. OTOH if you want to claim that its firmly established that we need to make a major effort to reduce CO2 emissions or we will have all sorts of massive problems, well than I guess I'm a "denier"