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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: greenspirit who wrote (20548)	2/20/2008 1:44:15 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

Yeah.. I still believe that John Martin is deserving of a Nobel prize for science. He made us rethink the process regarding the "biological pump" that is responsible for seqestering CO2 within the oceans depths. Now, granted, there are unknown issues regarding Oceanic Fertilization (OF) since it requires certain types of phytoplankton which are more inclined to sink to the depths after they die (whereas others decay on the ocean's surface and create Methane, an even more potent GG). But even there, there are potential solutions, such as the use of oceanic Salps to graze on excess phytoplankton blooms. Salps literally have few predators, and their feces and bodies generally sink to the depths. Thus, they could provide the ultimate control mechanism in ensuring that fertilized phytoplankton blooms are removed and deposited to the ocean floors. I'm not saying that all the questions have been resolved. But the research MUST be continued and accelerated. The logic is implicit, as well as imperative. If we've disrupted the natural OF process by implementing soil conservation in our agricultural policies, then we have an obligation to mitigate that disruption. I find it rather ironic that, by believing we were preserving mother nature from her own atrocious forces of erosion, we actually set in motion an even greater environmental disruption. Hawk

To: greenspirit who wrote (20548)	2/20/2008 1:58:43 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 36921

And here are some fairly balanced articles coming out of the WHOI conference held last year regarding Ocean Fertilization: whoi.edu whoi.edu Well worth the read.. But note that there is little, to no mention, that somehow mankind's soil conservation efforts over the past decades might be part of the causative factor for why phytoplankton quantities have diminished. Hawk

To: greenspirit who wrote (20548)	2/20/2008 2:34:05 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 36921

That's funny because Greenhouse Effect doomsters seem happy in their arrogant and naive confidence that putting CO2 into the air will cause Earth to avoid an ice age recurrence: <"I think it's folly. It would just cause another environmental problem," says Chisholm. "It's so naive to think that we can do one thing and it's going to have a predictable effect. The arrogance of human beings is just astounding." > Yet Chisholm is naive and arrogant enough to predict that Global Warming is happening due to people putting CO2 in the air. On the ocean floor, there are kilometres of radiolarian ooze and sediment trundling towards subduction zones, ready to power volcanoes and fill oil and gas reservoirs. Putting nutrients in the top will increase output at the bottom. That's the process and where there are sufficient nutrients, the process is rapid. It is quite obvious that Gaia is a suicidal maniac who has been stripping the ecosphere of carbon for eons, burying it permanently in limestone, coal, shale, tar sands, oil and gas deposits. That's why Earth has gradually cooled and is now in the ice age era and about to plunge back into it, perhaps for the last time, with just a few active volcanoes sticking out through the frozen ball. In 1986 I invented "Jetozone" to solve the problem of ozone depletion. My plan was to feed ozone-promoting chemicals into jet fuel to be distributed around the world 10 km high. The theory was that it would help jet fuel combustion and then go on to promote ozone formation. Jetozone would be jettisoned by thousands of aircraft and hey presto, the CFCs would be neutralized. Similarly, ships could jettison nutrient solutions into the oceans as they ply their trades. Iron is really cheap stuff. Old ships could be ground up and recycled as fish food. Fishing boats could cart nutrient solutions on the outward journey and fish back on the inward journey. With ocean currents, the nutrients could be pumped directly from land into the oceans to avoid shipping costs. It's about time the oceans were turned into free range fish farms. Mqurice