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To: one_less who wrote (4612)	2/20/2008 8:09:51 PM
From: Tom Clarke	Respond to of 5290

Always thought that was a load of malarkey. Baloney, al. boloney, n., nonsense, pretentious talk; bunk, worthless talk. (Chapman, 1986, 14; DAS, 1960, 51.) Béal ónna (pron. bælóna), silly loquacity, foolish talk; blather, blarney; stupid gossip. Béal (pron. bæl), n., mouth, talk, speech, rumor, blather, talkativeness. Ónna (pron. óna), indec. adj.., silly, simple, foolish, stupid. (Dineen, 821.) Barnhart's Dictionary of English Etymology derives verbal baloney from Italian bologna, "reputed to be stuffed with asses' meat from Bologna, a city in Italy where these sausages are made..." (Barnhart, 1988, 73.) This is a canard and an insult to the sausage makers of Bologna. Erie Smith: He liked to kid himself I'm mixed up with the rackets. He thought gangsters was romantic. So I fed him some baloney about a highjacking I done once...(Eugene O'Neill, Hughie, 1959, 283.) (See: O'Rahilly, óinmihd, ónna, amaid; Ériu 13, 1942, 149-52, 218. Notes, mainly etymological, #5; Focail as Irislabhair Éagsúla 7rl, Seán Ua Súilleabháin; óinmihd; Ériu 13, 149, óinmihd, ónna, amaid, amadán.) From How the Irish Invented Slang by Daniel Cassidy

To: one_less who wrote (4612)	3/17/2008 1:23:44 PM
From: average joe	Respond to of 5290

Nasruddin used to stand in the street on market-days, to be pointed out as an idiot. No matter how often people offered him a large and a small coin, he always chose the smaller piece. One day a kindly man said to him: - Nasruddin, you should take the bigger coin. Then you will have more money and people will no longer be able to make a laughing stock of you. - That may be true, said Nasruddin, but if I always take the larger, people will stop offering me money to prove that I am more idiotic than they are. Then I would have no money at all. As Nasruddin emerged form the mosque after prayers, a beggar sitting on the street solicited alms. The following conversation followed: - Are you extravagant? asked Nasruddin. - Yes Nasruddin. replied the beggar. - Do you like sitting around drinking coffee and smoking? asked Nasruddin. - Yes. replied the beggar. - I suppose you like to go to the baths everyday? asked Nasruddin. - Yes. replied the beggar. - ...And maybe amuse yourself, even, by drinking with friends? asked Nasruddin. - Yes I like all those things. replied the beggar. - Tut, Tut, said Nasruddin, and gave him a gold piece. A few yards farther on. another beggar who had overheard the conversation begged for alms also. - Are you extravagant? asked Nasruddin. - No, Nasruddin replied second beggar. - Do you like sitting around drinking coffee and smoking? asked Nasruddin. - No. replied second beggar. - I suppose you like to go to the baths everyday? asked Nasruddin. - No. replied second beggar. - ...And maybe amuse yourself, even, by drinking with friends? asked Nasruddin. - No, I want to only live meagerly and to pray. replied second beggar. Whereupon the Nasruddin gave him a small copper coin. - But why, wailed second beggar, do you give me, an economical and pious man, a penny, when you give that extravagant fellow a sovereign? Ah my friend, replied Nasruddin, his needs are greater than yours.