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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Peter Dierks who wrote (4723)	2/21/2008 3:03:41 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

We acknowledge that they are failures, you seem unwilling to do this. Part of the problem is the lack of definition of "successful." When I answered Mary's question, I defined it as majority acceptance. I think that the majority of people in those countries think it works well enough. So I called them successful. That definition was the best I could think of. With that definition, though, the majority of Americans thinks our system works well enough. So it's successful, too. If folks want to debate success, they'll have to agree on a definition. My impression is that Mary defines "successful" as "universal" and "equal." I wouldn't agree with that. I don't think you would, either.

To: Peter Dierks who wrote (4723)	2/21/2008 4:08:32 PM
From: gg cox	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

You are a hoot, with blinders on.LOL Message 24325281 Message 24322059

To: Peter Dierks who wrote (4723)	2/21/2008 4:57:10 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42652

"We acknowledge that they are failures," Surely with all being failures, you can document as least one instance where a country had universal care and dropped it?

To: Peter Dierks who wrote (4723)	2/21/2008 6:37:45 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42652

<<<We acknowledge that they are failures, you seem unwilling to do this.>>> The countries (Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom) that have universal health care are the best educated and wealthiest countries on earth. They are also democracies. They do not have a gun held to their heads forcing them into a bad system or a system that does not work. Not only is there no sign of failure, it seems to me universal health care is very popular and very successful.