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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (4874)	2/25/2008 7:30:33 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

All I can say to you is this......get used to it. That's why you always say when faced with questions you can't answer or facts that contradict your pre-conceived beliefs. It's a classic response to cognitive dissonance. Let's hope for all our sakes that the powers that be have their brains and judgment in gear. You might want to add a whole bunch of millionaires who pay no tax I don't have to add them in. If they file tax returns but pay no tax, they're already in your 31%. Duh. Besides, being a millionaire doesn't convey any obligation to pay income tax. We pay income tax on income, not assets. America will join the rest of the civilized world Then we'd be joining them in an over-capacity lifeboat. How stupid do we have to be to do that willingly? What provokes such mindlessness? Best I can tell from my participation here, it's the need to be just like the cool kids, those civilized countries. We could lose our democracy because some of us haven't gotten over high school? How ignoble is that! BTW, you had no comment about Medicaid being used to support med students, the handicapped, nursing homes, hospitals, clinics, and more..... no poor people included in these groups. The reason I didn't comment was because your whole point is a red herring. It really doesn't matter to the issue of universal health care. You're just picking at some tangent because you have no traction on the real issues. In addition, I doubt your statement is accurate but don't want to invest the time it would take to demonstrate it, especially given that, in the end, you'd just go all cognitive-dissonant on me rather than accept that you were barking up yet another wrong tree. Every governor in the country is pissed at the Bush plans to cut Medicaid payments to the states. And this, unless you can demonstrate otherwise, is a total non sequitur.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (4874)	2/25/2008 10:14:25 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

even Warren Buffet (billionaire) who says he paid at a rate of 17%,,,,,,,probably less than you paid. Actually, it's not. My income tax for 2007 was 9.5% of my gross income. That's a smidge less than usual because I itemized medical expenses this year.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (4874)	2/25/2008 1:09:59 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

You can't add Buffet because he paid taxes. But yes you can add millionaires if they paid no taxes. Of course if they had a large amount of taxable income, then they where obligated to pay taxes. Some of them might have committed tax fraud, others might be living off accumulated wealth without having much income (or with their income coming from tax free bonds) They would probably all be paying for their own medical care, except perhaps the tax frauds who are also Medicaid fraudsters, or who are old enough to receive Medicare, and if they are really millionaires I'm not sure they would want to put up with medicaid, unless they are misers to the extent of being similar to this person en.wikipedia.org - So even the tax fraudsters, while a free rider in other senses of the term might not be a free rider in this context. Every governor in the country is pissed at the Bush plans to cut Medicaid payments to the states. Medicaid payments go up every year. I think you mean something more like "Bush's plans to reduce the increase of Medicaid payments", they wouldn't actually be cut in nominal terms and likely not in real terms.