To: Brumar89 who wrote (64393 ) 2/27/2008 9:19:29 AM From: Brumar89 Respond to of 90947 "Do not liberals hold themselves out as supporters of human rights? And yet they inevitably find themselves defacto supporting and defending (and sometimes championing) monsters like Stalin, Mao, Che, Fidel, Hugo Chavez, Saddam, Ahmadinejad .... etc." By way of illustration, note the following posts on Cuba: From: Sam Read Replies (1) 50282of 50629 ..... lol, they are a civilized country. A poor civilized country, but civilized nonetheless. They have close to 100% literary . They are poor, but they aren't exploited in the same way as the poor are in many countries. They don't have shanty towns. They probably have the best medical system in the world if we confine our comparison to countries with per capita incomes of under (to take a pretty arbitrary number) $10,000 (their per capita income was about $4,500 in 2007, according to the CIA World Factbook). And it compares well enough to advanced high income countries that we had a discussion about it on this thread a number of months ago. Do they have problems and issues? Like, duh.... Who doesn't? We were just talking on this thread about the murder rate in Detroit. Some people considered the violence on our streets as a kind of low level civil war in our country. I question whether, e.g., Uzbekistan, Tajikstan, Haiti, Serbia, and any number of other countries (I'm intentionally leaving out some of the larger and more advanced countries here) are any more "civilized" than Cuba is.Message 24339505 To: Sam who wrote (50282) 2/23/2008 7:00:21 PM From: Katelew Read Replies (1) 50285of 50629 Those 'uncivilized' Cubans would probably make healthier and better educated workers for a US plant located there than would our own laborers. Message 24339528 Note the typical liberal esteem heaped on Castro's heaven in the Caribbean: "100" literary" (He means literacy.) ..... "but they aren't exploited" ... "they don't have shanty towns" (though pretty much all towns there are shanty towns) ..... "the best medical system in the world" for a poor country .... their workers are probably healthier and better educated than ours (this observation from the same party who used the term "idiotacracy" in describing rural Texans yesterday) .... In the post below the record is set straight by Tim Fowler - who notes Fidel's particular brutality toward homosexuals - the #1 human right cause of the left: Message 24347628 And the response to that depiction of reality vs liberal mythology? None.