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To: Travis_Bickle who wrote (51800)	3/5/2008 12:21:15 PM
From: KyrosL	Respond to of 540944

1. The rule of law is fundamental for all civilized societies. Tolerating 12 million illegals violates the rule of law in a rather profound way. Not only do they enter the country illegally, but most also carry fake documents, do not file or pay federal or state taxes, drive without a license, carry no car insurance, etc., etc., etc. 2. Immigration can be used to greatly enhance the competitiveness of the US. There are literally millions of very talented people from all around the world eager to immigrate to the US legally and contribute. Many have advanced degrees and excellent knowledge of English. Indian immigrants, for example, quickly reach the top of the income scale in the US, because most of them follow strict rules that ensure that only those talented and truly needed are accepted. It should be the same for all immigrants. 3. Having cheap hard working lawn, hotel workers, and domestics in no way enhances the competitiveness of the US. If we have to pay two or three or four times as much to US citizens, we will greatly reduce the US citizen underclass and benefit greatly on a net basis. It is much better and ultimately cheaper for the country to have a well paid US citizen lawn worker, than having a cheap illegal do the work while the US citizen languishes in jail on drug charges, costing society far more than three or four times the cheap illegal's pay. 4. Even your (and my) health insurance cost is affected by illegals. They are mostly uninsured, and get their free health care at the expense of you an me.

To: Travis_Bickle who wrote (51800)	3/5/2008 12:29:13 PM
From: Rambi	Respond to of 540944

Well, different people believe skin is coming off their noses in different ways. Many don't believe the cost of the increasing numbers of illegal aliens IS sustainable. It's not quite as obvious as the direct hit to the wallet for an insurance payment, but it is a definite drain on certain resources. But again, that really wasn't the point of my analogy which was about the way of attacking problems. Making huge changes of uncertain results and cost without attempting first to control the causes of the problems seems illogical to me. Even if I decide in favor of universal care, I would be extremely unhappy if tort reform, etc. aren't addressed. If those of us who "have" are expected to pay more in taxes, it would be awfully nice to know that someone is at least being efficient with the dollars.