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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (52726)	3/9/2008 8:39:08 PM
From: Oeconomicus	Respond to of 543200

"There is the future that is defined by James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and FDR. Al Gore, John Edwards, Bill Clinton and the democratic party adhere to those principles as they have been laid out." Wait. Are you trying to be funny?

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (52726)	3/9/2008 11:33:13 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 543200

Admittedly, the "welfare queen" is not a sympathetic character, but we can not allow her to be thrown under the bus. We can not tolerate that. "Welfare queen" was usually used to refer to someone engaging in welfare fraud. In other words a criminal. Now I wouldn't say that such a person should be literally thrown under a bus, but certainly there should be some consequences. More generally your description of Reagan as someone who pushed and communicated the idea of throwing people under the bus shows how badly you misunderstand him and his ideas. To the extent there is any "throw them under the bus conservatives", Reagan clearly wasn't one of them. Tightening rules for welfare or the enforcement of such rules, doesn't amount to throwing people under the bus. Even eliminating social program entirely (which isn't an idea being pushed by or supported by just about any conservatives), wouldn't really be throwing people under the bus, because it wouldn't be an aggressive act against them, just a refusal to use government to help. And Reagan wasn't about refusing or slashing government assistance.