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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (52853)	3/10/2008 4:33:35 PM
From: Dale Baker	Respond to of 543262

That is exactly what McCain will do, and why Democratic complacency about the appeal if his message will be lethal. The faithful don't believe that anyone else could believe McCain's message, but the guy already has 45-46% support and months to campaign with a veteran spin and attack machine.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (52853)	3/10/2008 5:42:14 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543262

Ed, I think your assumptions here are reasonable. But I'll try to rebut you simply by describing myself as a voter. I come from a career military family. I respect our military and reject the stereotypical anti-war activist sentiment. So this is how I'm predisposed. Because of this, I'm OK with her vote which was giving the president a tool to get the inspectors back into Iraq. I've listened to her whole speech now and realize now she vehemently told the Bushies not to consider her vote a license to wage war. The main thing now to me is that I'm favorably impressed by the fact that so many generals and retired officers say they back or trust her. I don't want a war-monger in office but I also like someone who military figures view as qualified to handle a military event. These endorsements are what she has to counter McCain with. So I can see her as attractive to conservative Democrats like me and to Republicans who want this war to end but might be concerned about an unknown like Obama. Remember that the average voter keeps elections simple, looks at the big picture, and doesn't follow all the claims and counterclaims. It's back to the safety issue. Too much unknown makes voters uneasy. With Hillary you have a candidate who has stated her goal of ending the war in Iraq but also has her service on the Armed Services Committee as well as the backing of military figures. She thus becomes a 'safer' alternative for those Rs and Independents who reject McCain's willingness, almost eagerness, to stay the course. Alot depends on McCain continuing to slowly slip in the polls and her electability numbers rising, even if not as high as Obama's. It's that jumping ship thingie. As Rs see McCain slipping, it validates their own misgivings about the war. They might collectively fall into a mindset of 'OK, McCain's going to lose. I sure don't feel comfortable with an unknown like Obama, so I'm going with the midpoint candidate, Hillary.' BTW, I'm curious to know if you actually saw or heard her speech that referenced everyone's foreign policy experience and see that as her praising John McCain.