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To: American Spirit who wrote (13184)3/12/2008 4:36:26 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 149317
 
I think many of the superdelegates are playing a dangerous game right now by just waiting to declare. I think we all see how dangerous for the Democrats this is.

It's apparent just by seeing how the Republicans are licking their chops about it. Someone on CNN was reminding us of the title the Onion gave in January: "Democrats vow to give hopelessness a chance."

By waiting and not doing anything right now, the superdelegates, these so called wisemen and women of the party, are prolonging the uncertainty and the viciousness of the campaign...When will we see high profile superdelegates like Gore, Edwards, and Richardson get out of the bleachers and endorse a candidate...?? It takes courage BUT I want to see it...IMO, it's past time to send a message about the kind of candidate and campaign that is truly best for the party. Would these Democratic party elders EVER endorse the ugly politics that the Clintons are practicing right now...??

Many people around the country are understandably offended by the Clintons and their surrogates fanning the flames of racism and attacking the character of a fellow Democrat. It was thought to be unDemocratic. Well, now we know that some Democrats support those offensive, divisive tactics.

Progressives are watching the Democratic Party elders and they better make a wise decision or they will risk tearing their party apart for a generation...Just my view.



To: American Spirit who wrote (13184)3/12/2008 5:01:38 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 149317
 
Color-coded Hillary Alerts

huffingtonpost.com

Posted March 11, 2008 | 07:12 PM (EST)

By James Moore*

If anyone has paid acutely painful attention to the political ministrations of Karl Rove over the past two and a half decades, it's me. And if there is anyone qualified to make comparisons between democracy's Darth Vader and Hillary Clinton, I stand at the head of that line, as well. And sadly, the similarities are so brutally obvious as to be disturbing.

First, there is this matter of her husband, a man I admired as president in spite of his teenage behavior. Sen. Barack Obama has run a campaign that has never mentioned race. In fact, ethnicity was not an issue until President William Jefferson Clinton made his comparisons of Obama in South Carolina to Jesse Jackson. We were on the verge of almost transcending such superficial nonsense until Mr. Clinton brought us back to 1968.

And presently, we have the first female vice presidential candidate ringing the bell on the same topic. Geraldine Ferraro is, of course, a part of the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Senator Clinton plays the innocent on most of this by refusing to denounce these pronunciations. When she had the opportunity on 60 Minutes to tell the world that it is nonsense for the fear mongers to suggest Obama is a Muslim, she demurred with a qualified, "as far as I know" he's not. But she does know. Sen. Clinton and Obama have attended numerous Capital Hill prayer breakfasts together. Does she think he was playing the Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, perhaps trying to see what is going on with that whole Christianity thing? Isn't any person believable when they declare their faith until they have been vetted by the Clinton campaign?

She saved her campaign in Texas by acting like George W. Bush drunk on the ideas of Karl Rove. The 3 a.m. call ad that used fear to drive voters in her direction was nothing more than a desperate politician's attempt to tell everyone not even duct tape will save them if they vote for Obama. Created by Roy Spence of Austin, the ad was first deployed in 1984 in the Mondale campaign. (His ad agency also gave us, "You are now free to move around the country," and, "Don't mess with Texas," as memorable slogans.)

As Karl Rove has proven and as Orlando Patterson pointed out in the New York Times, campaigns and their messages are often more about image than substance. Was it an oversight or a design that the children sleeping safely in that 3 a.m. ad were white? Isn't everyone in politics astute enough to know these days that everyone who needs protecting isn't white? When Bush was running for president, Rove never let him be photographed without a rainbow coalition of children. Are we supposed to believe that Hillary's minders didn't see the racism implicit in her phone call ad?

The Clinton campaign doesn't seem to understand that the depth of Obama's appeal comes from his willingness to look forward with optimism instead of over his shoulder in fear. When he says, "We need to talk to our friends, but we also need to talk to our enemies," he is speaking for every mother and father who has a son in Iraq or one who might end up toting a gun for an amorphous cause that few can any longer explain. Who doesn't want to know why we are so despised that people will strap bombs to themselves to blow us up? Oh, I forgot, they hate our freedom. That's one Sen. Clinton hasn't tried yet.

It is also obscene in the extreme for the Clinton campaign to compare Sen. Obama to Ken Starr. Many voters from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunny shores of California want to know how much money the senator and the former president are earning, to whom he is speaking for large sums, and how he paid for his library in Little Rock. Do the Clintons really want to remind us what Ken Starr was looking for? As a friend of mine has suggested, this utter lack of judgment to bring his name back into the public discourse is "breathtaking."

Clinton is unwilling to sully her own hands with these absurd references. Like Rove, she relies on surrogates to go out and fire the gun. After the targets are wounded or dead, Rove had his clients come in and call for gun control and explain how they admired the political victim. Not Senator Clinton. She does nothing to denounce the nastiness. By pretending Obama is not prepared to lead, she proves her own desperation to acquire power and she denigrates the remaining historical reputation of her husband's administration. Historians might look beyond this dust devil she has spun, but the general public won't be able to see through the dirt flying through the air.

We are all tired of this. We all have Bush-Clinton fatigue. We need a hopeful, fresh start. Hillary might have made a fine president. But she has turned into an ugly campaigner.

This is not her time.
________________________________________

*James Moore is an Emmy-winning former television news correspondent and the co-author of the bestselling, Bush's Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential. His second book, Bush's War for Reelection included his groundbreaking ten year investigation into the president's National Guard record. He has been writing and reporting from Texas for the past 25 years on the rise of Rove and Bush and has traveled extensively on every presidential campaign since 1976. He is also the author of The Architect: Karl Rove and the Master Plan for Absolute Power.



To: American Spirit who wrote (13184)3/14/2008 12:16:53 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water  Respond to of 149317
 
Who cares about taking down politicians is the would be Karl Roves of the world--and they are out there. See if what I say about recording Obama's Pastor doesn't come to pass if he's the nominee.



To: American Spirit who wrote (13184)3/14/2008 3:18:10 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 149317
 
Obama Chats With Gore

thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com

DULLES, Va. – With a six-week interval between primaries, the Democratic presidential candidates have a little more time on their hands after a chaotic string of week-to-week primaries and caucuses.

It leaves a little more time for telephone calls. To superdelegates.

“The last time I talked to Al Gore was last week,” Senator Barack Obama said today, speaking to reporters as he flew from Chicago to Washington.

That morsel of information was buried near the end of a question-and-answer session. Asked if he would divulge what they talked about, Mr. Obama smiled and simply said, “No.”

It’s been awhile since Mr. Gore’s name has come up in the context of the prolonged Democratic presidential contest. While people close to the former vice president say he has been following the race closely, he has given no signals that he is willing to step into the battle between Mr. Obama and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

And how about John Edwards?

Mr. Obama said he had spoken to him “within the last two weeks.” Asked if he was expecting anything from Mr. Edwards, Mr. Obama replied, “Some good advice.”

(Mr. Edwards is not a superdelegate, of course, but could still influence the race if he decided to endorse one of his former rivals.)

But back to the phone call between Mr. Obama and Mr. Gore. Does it hold greater meaning or was it just a routine course of business?

That question was not resolved as Mr. Obama walked to the front of his plane as it landed here outside Washington, where he, Mrs. Clinton and Senator John McCain will be spending the day at the Capitol, where the Senate is holding a series of budget votes today.

It’s been more than a month since the three presidential candidates have been in the Senate chamber together. Asked how Mr. Obama intended to greet Mrs. Clinton, he grinned, saying: “I’m sure we will be both effusive and make sure we shake hands.”



To: American Spirit who wrote (13184)3/14/2008 5:27:40 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 149317
 
Will a Democratic Yoda please step up

chicagotribune.com

In a different era, a party elder such as Al Gore or Jimmy Carter would try to intervene in the Hillary Clinton-Barack Obama battle in a bid to avert chaos at the convention.

By Naftali Bendavid
Washington Bureau
The Chicago Tribune
March 14, 2008

WASHINGTON — Maybe Al Gore could jump in and fix the mess. He's won a Nobel Peace Prize, after all.

Or George Mitchell, who worked for peace in Northern Ireland.

Or Jimmy Carter. Anyone who brought together Arabs and Israelis should arguably be able to unify squabbling Democrats.

As it becomes increasingly clear that the battle between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will be both nasty and long, some Democrats are longing for an elder statesman or respected party leader who could step in and resolve the fight before it damages the Democrats' chances in the fall.

But it's not clear any such person exists. The days of Clark Clifford, counselor to presidents, or Sam Rayburn, who had enormous clout, are long past. As politics has become more transparent and democratic, scholars say, little room remains for the quiet adviser or party boss who can speak truth to presidents (or would-be presidents) in the greater interest of the party.

That, however, hasn't stopped the desire or the speculation. A scenario widely discussed in the blogosphere and elsewhere is that a strong leader would discreetly ask Clinton to step aside because she cannot win the battle for pledged delegates. Failing that, some hope for a "wise man" to mediate the bitter dispute over Florida and Michigan.

It's increasingly clear that such action, if any, would take place after the Pennsylvania primary on April 22, and perhaps as a last-minute effort to avert a chaotic convention.

"I would look to Al Gore, John Edwards, Bill Richardson—people who have been presidential candidates, but are not committed at this point and have a national reputation," said Michael Mezey, a political scientist at DePaul University.

A long shot
But many observers said such intervention is a long shot at best. For one thing, most party elders are committed to one camp or the other—Bill Clinton most obviously, but also figures like Sen. Edward Kennedy, a big Obama backer.

Beyond that, it's hard to imagine anyone with the clout or stature to force Hillary Clinton or Obama to do anything against their will.

The lack of such a commanding figure may say something about how American politics has changed from the days when the parties had "wise men"—discreet counselors who could step in during times of crisis. "There are just as many wise Democrats as there ever were, but they don't get to play Yoda anymore," said John J. Pitney of Claremont McKenna College.

W. Averell Harriman and Clifford, for example, advised presidents from Franklin Roosevelt to Lyndon Johnson. And it was a group of influential Republican senators led by Barry Goldwater who persuaded President Richard Nixon it was time to resign.

An open question
Whether such princely figures could prevail on an ambitious presidential hopeful to withdraw is an open question. More obvious clout belonged to bosses such as House Speaker Rayburn of Texas or Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley, who controlled enough delegates to impose their will.

But those days are gone. The bulk of convention delegates are now chosen not by party chieftains, but democratically through primaries and caucuses. Fundraising, too, has become democratized, so powerful patrons hold less sway.

"When American politics was still hierarchical, the Clinton-Obama kerfuffle would indeed have been resolved by a few heavyweight elder statesmen of the party calling a mafia-like conclave, preferably at the Fontainebleau Hotel in Miami Beach, and smacking delegate heads together for the good of the party," said Steffen Schmidt, a political scientist at Iowa State University. "Alas, neither the Fontainebleau nor the party pooh-bahs are what they used to be."

Yet few entirely rule out a scenario in which Obama and Clinton are bitterly fighting it out as the Democratic convention approaches and a few party leaders, probably including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, publicly or privately pressure one of them to withdraw.

But that point, if it comes, is still a few months away, and much could change by then. And the irony is, neither Obama nor Clinton is the sort of conventional politician the party elders of the past would likely have backed.

"Even if there were a group of party heavyweights," Schmidt said, "their choice would most likely be John Edwards, and not the two exciting but risky front-runners."

Copyright © 2008, Chicago Tribune



To: American Spirit who wrote (13184)3/14/2008 10:12:33 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 149317
 
Ex-Governor Cuomo Says Close Democratic Race Could Be `Ruinous'

bloomberg.com

By Lorraine Woellert

March 14 (Bloomberg) -- Former New York Governor Mario Cuomo said the presidential race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama could be ``ruinous'' for the Democratic Party if the contest isn't resolved before the August nominating convention.

Cuomo, a Democrat, said the party may be able to avoid a damaging convention fight if Clinton and Obama teamed up on a party ticket, or if the media forced the candidates before then to substantively address big policy issues facing the nation, such as the economy and the war in Iraq.

``It would be ruinous to the Democrats to get to the convention without an arrangement of some kind,'' Cuomo said in an interview on Bloomberg Television's ``Political Capital with Al Hunt,'' scheduled to air today.

A ticket with one of the candidates running as vice president would give the public a chance to elect the first woman president and the first African-American president regardless of who is at the top of the ticket, Cuomo said.

Either Obama, 46, or Clinton, 60, could serve two terms as vice president and then run for president.

``Most people say that's improbable, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be the best solution,'' Cuomo said. ``And it occurs to me that you could make a ticket almost either way, with Hillary on top or Obama on top.''

The second alternative would be to abandon ``phony'' debate formats and instead compel the candidates to answer detailed questions on policy issues, Cuomo said. The approach would allow voters to make a decision based on substance, he said.

`Glibness Contest'

``Right now, it's being done by persona: she's a pain in the neck; she's too this; she's too that,'' Cuomo said. Debates, he said, have become a ``glibness contest.''

``They like that because they're both very, very glib,'' Cuomo said. ``That's what allowed them to make such a big thing about race and a big thing about gender, because that gap could be filled with specific answers to the specific questions.''

Candidates should be grilled on their Iraq war positions and how they would improve the economy, said Cuomo, 75.

The Iraq War, for example, is ``illegal,'' and candidates should be questioned on it in depth as a measure of whether they're ready to be commander-in-chief, Cuomo said.

``The law is that the Congress has to declare war. It didn't in Vietnam and it didn't here,'' he said.

``It's relevant because the next president might feel like starting a war against Iran,'' Cuomo said.

The lack of detailed debate on substantive issues has created an opening for rhetoric on ``incendiary'' subjects such as race and gender, Cuomo said.

``When you don't deal with what I'm asking you to deal with, which is the specifics of these hard issues in an intelligent and understandable way,'' Cuomo said, ``you fill the space with this stupidity about race and gender.''

Cuomo said he disagreed with former New York Representative Geraldine Ferraro's comment that if Obama were white he wouldn't be a serious candidate.

``He is so skilled and so bright that I don't think that's true,'' Cuomo said.



To: American Spirit who wrote (13184)3/15/2008 9:40:56 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 149317
 
Bill vs Hillary Clinton

jamesfallows.theatlantic.com

James Fallows Blog - The Atlantic

I supported Bill Clinton when he was in office, and I have liked and admired him before and since. I knew that he did some unsavory things -- OK, let's set aside the obvious, and think back to his approval of the execution of the (mentally-damaged) convicted murderer Ricky Ray Rector during the heat of the campaign in 1992. I thought, and think: this is the price leaders pay. The question is whether, on balance, the leader is a force for public good, and I thought he clearly was.

This standard of comparison sticks in my mind during Hillary Clinton's campaign. And I'm not even talking about Bill Clinton's flurry of public involvement around the time of the New Hampshire and South Carolina primaries. Rather I'm thinking: she has done things I don't remember him doing, or that he was smooth enough to do without my noticing it.

As mentioned earlier, I don't recall Bill Clinton knee-capping his Democratic opponents in the 1992 campaign by saying that the Republican opponent, incumbent President George H.W. Bush, was better qualified for office than they were. This of course was Hillary Clinton's charge against Obama a week or so ago.

And I do not recall Bill Clinton saying anything as flatly insulting to the intelligence as Hillary Clinton's statement about the Michigan primary during her interview yesterday with Steve Inskeep on NPR's Morning Edition.

Flatly false from Bill Clinton? Sure: "I did not have..." But flatly insulting to the intelligence, in the fashion of an old press briefing by Scott McClellan when defending Scooter Libby or Alberto Gonzales? No. And that is what Hillary Clinton did yesterday -- to the plain incredulity of the normally calm-sounding Inskeep, who kept asking things like, "But how could the primary have been 'fair' if Barack Obama's name was not on the ballot?"

Listen to the clip to hear for yourself, if you haven't already done so -- but it came down to a "how stupid does she think we are?' argument that it was Obama's own fault that he obeyed the party's rules (as other candidates did) and took his name off the unauthorized Michigan ballot. "We all had a choice as to whether or not to participate," she told Inskeep. "Most people took their names off the ballot, but I didn’t. And that was a wise decision, because Michigan is key to our electoral victory in the fall."

My point is not really the merits of this argument. It is the Clinton-v-Clinton contrast. Am I right in remembering that in his prime, Bill Clinton didn't -- or didn't have to -- do things quite this bluntly and ham-handedly? Are we seeing a demonstration during the campaign of a talent gap in basic political skill between the two members of the household? One reason not to think so is that Bill Clinton is presumably involved in these very strategies, which seem so much clumsier than he was in 1992. Another is that he himself has struck same of the same off-notes this year.

Perhaps it's just Golden Age-ism that makes me think that the old Bill Clinton could always spin the story and make us like it. Perhaps the objective circumstances are different now. But perhaps there is a real and important prose-versus-poetry difference within their household, whose results we're seeing now.

Further on Bill vs. Hillary Clinton

14 Mar 2008 08:45 pm

Here is the point I wish I had thought to make the first time:

One of Bill Clinton's strongest and most admirable traits as a politician was that, in his prime, he never talked down when explaining his positions. No matter what the audience -- financiers, laid-off factory workers, teenagers, foreigners -- he always encouraged them to see the big picture.

And to think. He said again and again that the Republicans' goal was to keep people from thinking, because once they did start thinking clearly, as opposed to hating or fearing, they'd see the wisdom of the Clinton plan.

Agree on the merits of his plans, or disagree: You can't deny that this was his approach. He made people feel, too -- but virtually every step of the way he encouraged them to think.

As for why this has not been his wife's approach -- well, we just don't know whether it's a difference in temperament between the two of them, or difference of talent, or difference of strategies, or difference driven by the fact that this time they're up against someone (ie, Obama) who also is very good in the "making people think" approach. But the contrast in thought-content between Clinton '92 and Clinton '08 is striking.