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To: gg cox who wrote (31164)	3/17/2008 11:51:29 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 219112

GG, ideas can be tested by observing the nearest approximation to them to see what happens. I learned decades ago to profit from my ideas and look after number one. Eventually, after things have gone wrong, and much cost incurred, my ideas are adopted. It just takes time for great crowds to adopt ideas. People nearly all see ideas as things to be defeated, rather than something to be contemplated. So wasting too much breath debating the dogmatic has never been very useful. Normally, the first conceptual introduction elicits a response indicative of the level of thinking one is going to get. If it's curious [infrequent] that's a good sign. If red herrings, irrelevancies, factually incorrect things, lack of understanding etc are the response, and helping them understand isn't gratefully appreciated, one is dealing with a dominance hierarchy dodo. They see things as opportunities for their ego gratification rather than paths to enlightenment. So, what do you think of the idea of tradable citizenship instead of state serfdom? There seems to me to be sufficient information right there, without a dirty great constitution, for some conceptualizing. But I will do an expansive rant on the subject to fill it in some more. Maybe a search of "tradable citizenship" would find that I've already done one. I can't remember. Mqurice