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To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (54512)	3/19/2008 6:37:33 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 542836

>>As I recall 90% of those who served directly with kerry were part of the swiftboaters.<< Thomas - That's simply not true. With one exception, all of the men who served on Kerry's boat stood up with him on the stage at the Democratic National Convention. Those men backed his version of events. But really, let's not start this discussion again. - Allen

To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (54512)	3/19/2008 7:43:56 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542836

"Swiftboating is American political jargon that is used (primarily) as a strong pejorative description of some kind of attack that the speaker considers unfair or untrue—for example, an ad hominem attack or a smear campaign" en.wikipedia.org

To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (54512)	3/19/2008 9:20:01 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542836

Thomas - Your post assumes facts that are not in evidence, and ignores facts that are. You assume, for one thing, that Wright's sermons are all or mostly similar to the two or three that have been posted to YouTube. You ignore the writings of Obama himself, which don't in any way show that his ideology has been shaped by some kind of hateful invective over the years. You then further assume that Obama has certain beliefs that differ from those he has personally professed, but that he is not honest enough to own up to them. Somehow, you apparently think, in his entire history as an educator, a community organizer, and a politician, he's been hiding his true beliefs. Given the bias inherent in that kind of analysis, I'm quite sure I have no hope of convincing you that you are wrong. Fortunately, Obama doesn't need to win over people who think as you do in order to get himself elected. - Allen