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To: KLP who wrote (242890)	3/20/2008 1:12:22 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794221

In the interest of fairness, they aren't ALL like TUCC. Consider Kirbyjohn Caldwell's congregation - Windsor Village UMC - he left a career on wall st (was a Wharton MBA) after he felt a call to the ministry, started with a tiny congregation with 25 members and built it into the largest UMC congregation in the country: kingdombuilders.com The church has the same type of community and social service programs liberals have praised Wright's congregation for sponsoring, but w/ a traditional Christian message. Their Christian school: kingdombuilders.com A link and passage from their website that speaks to a subject raised on this thread recently: Kujichagulia, Inc. – a Christian Girl’s Organization – was founded in 1993 to serve girls, ages 4 - 18, who are socially and economically disadvantaged, by promoting high moral standards and developing skills necessary to be prosperous citizens. kingdombuilders.com What was the first organization that God ordained? Was it the body of Christ? What was the first institution that God consecrated to be set apart as His own? Was it the church? No! The first organization that God ordained was the family. It was to be the place where the faith, education, culture, and the beauty of civilization were to be nurtured. It was and is the greatest expression of His love found in humanity. Nothing beats the time spent with family. -------------------------------------------------------------- While this is a model of what a good church ought to be, there have got to be more like this out there - to offer an alternative to the TUCC's of the world.

To: KLP who wrote (242890)	3/20/2008 2:58:40 PM
From: goldworldnet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794221

Southern Baptists have taken steps to repair their tarnished past. One of the biggest moves came about 10 years ago when the convention issued a resolution apologizing for slavery. In addition, the denomination has 23 ethnic fellowships, of which the African American group is among the largest with nearly 300 churches. Richard Harris, vice president of church planting for the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention, said the fellowship groups are an "integral part of our convention." "They're Southern Baptists to the core," Harris said. "They just want to fellowship together because of their culture and history." Anderson, who will usher in a new fellowship president at this year's convention, agreed. "We wanted to share what we have in common as an ethnic body of people," he said. Robert Parham, executive director of the Baptist Center for Ethics in Nashville, said he still finds it unusual that blacks in particular would support a denomination that strongly supports President Bush, who received less than 10% of the black vote in the last election. "The continued presence of African American churches in the Southern Baptist Convention is odd given the denomination's hardwiring to the far right of the Republican Party," Parham said. But E. W. McCall Sr., pastor of St. Stephen Baptist Church in La Puente, Calif., said many of the convention's black members are Republicans who are frustrated with the Democratic Party's support of abortion and homosexuality. usatoday.com * * *