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To: JohnM who wrote (54839)3/21/2008 9:51:47 AM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542160
 
Lane brought up gullibility, but I think what we see in the black community is really the opposite- faulty conclusions which are the result of a virulent sense of cynicism, and a feeling (among some) that white America is completely against black America.

Now white Americans can point to all the gains black Americans have made, but it's all about perception- and perception truly is reality. Black Americans and white Americans do not always share the same perceptions of "progress". Anyone who read Malcolm X, and followed the progression of the more militant strains of black thought, should have known this was still a very powerful meme in the black community. That so many white Americans are ignorant of what goes on in the black community pretty much (imo) reinforces the idea that not as much "progress" has been made as whites thought. Ignorance of a community's anger and discontent does not equal "progress", in other words.



To: JohnM who wrote (54839)3/21/2008 1:33:22 PM
From: KonKilo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542160
 
I thought McDuffie's point was a very good one.

McDuffie? : )

Due credit for that notion must be given where it belongs, right under the capable fingers of Mme Syb.



To: JohnM who wrote (54839)3/21/2008 1:41:45 PM
From: KonKilo  Respond to of 542160
 
Personally, I don't find conspiracy theories terribly helpful. Except when they are, like Watergate.

We'd all like to dismiss conspiracy theories out-of-hand, right up to the point that we take a quick survey of history and recall such deeds a giving smallpox-infected blankets to Native Americans, blowing up the Maine in Havana harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin, the Northridge Project, Tuskegee, the Army LSD experiments, the Magic Bullet, giving Castro an exploding cigar, et al.

These are just off the top of my head.

But yes, gov'ts can and do horrific things as a means to an end.



To: JohnM who wrote (54839)3/21/2008 2:28:37 PM
From: Lane3  Respond to of 542160
 
You are definitely not trying to see the world from his vantage point.

I saw the world from his vantage point before I didn't.

(And, no, I don't find your comment either uncivil or inappropriately personal.)