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To: Geoff Altman who wrote (260030)	3/24/2008 4:38:00 PM
From: sylvester80	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

You should care who throws the stones. Cause Wright is nothing like racist neo-nazi POS Hannity. In fact if you listen to Wright's sermons in their totality rather than the word snippets that KKK racist morons like Hannity & Faux news puts up to distort and divide, you will see that the context that they are put on has very valid points on how America foreign policy has been terrorising and killing for decades innocent people. So even though I may not agree with his whole premise, had I been in any of his sermons I would have taken what I do agree and threw the rest out. Which is the same that has been happening on every Catholic, Baptist, Evangelical, Orthodox etc... church out there. Meaning that not everything a pastor says you will agree with. For example you hear many times from pastors and many churches that homosexuality is wrong. And I vehemently disagree with that as I believe it is a biological condition not one of choice. And that would not be reason for me to leave the church.

To: Geoff Altman who wrote (260030)	3/24/2008 4:48:46 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

lol This is what that nut, silyvestor80, thinks is a thoughtful analysis....

To: Geoff Altman who wrote (260030)	3/24/2008 10:11:04 PM
From: sylvester80	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The same wacko racist evangelicals supported your dumbass POTUS you've got now. I didn't see you had a fit then, you hypocrite! Maybe because they were white? Republicans: Only Our Pastors are Allowed to Say Crazy Shit Tuesday March 18, 2008 10:30 am firedoglake.com As the wingnut chorus predictably disses Obama's eloquent speech, it's important to remember how completely ridiculous and manufactured this whole Wright "controversy" is: ...the idea that America deserves terrorist attacks and other horrendous disasters has long been a frequently expressed view among the faction of white evangelical ministers to whom the Republican Party is most inextricably linked. Neither Jerry Falwell nor Pat Robertson ever retracted or denounced their view that America provoked the 9/11 attacks by doing things to anger God. John Hagee continues to believe that the City of New Orleans got what it deserved when Katrina drowned its residents and devastated the lives of thousands of Americans. And James Inhofe -- who happens to still be a Republican U.S. Senator -- blamed America for the 9/11 attacks by arguing in a 2002 Senate floor speech that "the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States of America" because we pressured Israel to give away parts of the West Bank. The phrases "anti-American" and "America-haters" are among the most barren and manipulative in our entire political lexicon, but whatever they happen to mean on any given day, they easily encompass people who believe that the U.S. deserved the 9/11 attacks, devastating hurricanes and the like. Yet when are people like Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Inhofe and other white Christian radicals ever described as anti-American or America-hating extremists? Never -- because white Christian evangelicals who tie themselves to the political Right are intrinsically patriotic. Well, yeah. Duh. By all accounts, George Bush had private conversations with Pat Robertson about matters as weighty as whether to invade Iraq. Isn't that a big scandal -- that the President is consulting with an American-hating minister -- someone who believes God allowed the 9/11 attacks as punishment for our evil country -- about vital foreign policy decisions? No, it wasn't controversial at all. John Hagee privately visits with the highest level Middle East officials in the White House and afterwards pronounces that they're in agreement. John McCain shares a stage with Hagee and lavishes him with praise, as Rudy Giuliani did with Pat Robertson. James Inhofe remains a member in good standing in the GOP Senate Caucus. The Republican Party has tied itself at the hip to a whole slew of "anti-American extremists" -- people who believe that the U.S. provoked the 9/11 attacks because God wants to punish us for the evil, wicked nation we've become -- and yet there is virtual silence about these associations. Once again, it's important to keep making the point that when you've built an entire political movement on the backs of a crazy mob of Dixiecrat Savonarolas who make outrageous hateful comments pretty much every day, you've sort of opted-out of your ability to throw stones.