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To: tejek who wrote (377743)	4/11/2008 1:53:44 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577031

BTW I meant to say "why IS good news resented and angrily rejected? You all see a decline in deaths in Iraq for a few months and think the war has been won or at least its going in the right direction. First its Afghanistan as well as Iraq. And it involves more than a few months in the case of Afghanistan. Secondly, it involves things like the Iraqi army successfully taking on the enemy instead (mostly) of us. Undeniably good things. Its the equivalent of seeing someone with cancer on a good day and thinking they have won their fight with cancer. Ah, because you were against the war to begin with, you are adamant NOTHING good can result from it and it cannot be resolved in a good manner for us. We must lose, just like a cancer patient must die. Course, since you chose that analogy, I should point out cancer patients don't always die. What you refuse to acknowledge are the overwhelming facts around the war in Iraq which suggest it can't be won in the classic way. But the overwhelming facts you think are there, aren't. As for winning in the "classic way", we're not claiming that - we see victory in Iraq as the Iraqis eventually picking up their own defense burden. Signs of them doing that are good news. In general, liberals know that.......they tend to have more exposure to foreign cultures; have a better understanding of the background history in a region. Pure BS. Most liberals think everyone overseas thinks like an American liberal. I work for an international company in an international industry. There's a Libyan national about three doors down the hall from my office. Will meet with a Nigerian (Muslim) coworker this afternoon. Talked to a couple folks in Russia yesterday about 4:30 PM (my time). Africans, Malaysians, Russians, Aussies, and others I work with folks from those mysterious foreign cultures all the time. Unless you've lived abroad for a long time, you don't have more experience with non-Americans than me. Do you know what my reaction was when Bush first proposed invading Iraq? I thought it was a joke Personally, I was amazed we were actually doing it. But I'd read Pollack's book which predicted Saddam would get a nuke in a few years and I supported going to war cause I knew he'd use it - just like he did his other WMD's. What the hell else were we gonna do, wait for the mushroom clouds to appear? I grew up mostly in the North or on the West coast. People like Chris, or CF or JF understand you guys better than I do. You're as foreign to me as an Afghan or a Pakistani. I understand Europeans and Israelis better than I understand you guys. That's the truth. I'm sure you don't understand folks like me. I think your understanding of Afghans, Pakistanis, etc though is a false assumption. You try to put yourself in their place and find they would think like an America liberal. That's why I see the current conflict between us as a real dilemma. I had hoped that Obama would pull us together but that is looking less and less likely. So I don't know where it will all end but its not looking good. You thought Obama would magically make everyone agree with liberalism. Yeah right.