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To: Taro who wrote (377935)4/12/2008 5:13:25 PM
From: J_F_Shepard  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1573683
 
re:"Nazi(st) = National Sozialist. You lefties just cannot get that into your dickheads.

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"Myth: Hitler was a leftist.

Fact: Nearly all of Hitler's beliefs placed him on the far right.

Summary

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.

Argument

To most people, Hitler's beliefs belong to the extreme far right. For example, most conservatives believe in patriotism and a strong military; carry these beliefs far enough, and you arrive at Hitler's warring nationalism. This association has long been something of an embarrassment to the far right. To deflect such criticism, conservatives have recently launched a counter-attack, claiming that Hitler was a socialist, and therefore belongs to the political left, not the right.

The primary basis for this claim is that Hitler was a National Socialist. The word "National" evokes the state, and the word "Socialist" openly identifies itself as such.

However, there is no academic controversy over the status of this term: it was a misnomer. Misnomers are quite common in the history of political labels. Examples include the German Democratic Republic (which was neither) and Vladimir Zhirinovsky's "Liberal Democrat" party (which was also neither). The true question is not whether Hitler called his party "socialist," but whether or not it actually was.

In fact, socialism has never been tried at the national level anywhere in the world. This may surprise some people -- after all, wasn't the Soviet Union socialist? The answer is no. Many nations and political parties have called themselves "socialist," but none have actually tried socialism. To understand why, we should revisit a few basic political terms."



To: Taro who wrote (377935)4/12/2008 7:24:54 PM
From: steve harris  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573683
 
they continue trying to rewrite history but fail....



To: Taro who wrote (377935)4/13/2008 2:43:07 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573683
 
Nazi(st) = National Sozialist.

You lefties just cannot get that into your dickheads.


What we do know is that dickheads like yourself don't have a clue.

Just because something has a particular name does not guarantee that it is what it proclaims. A classic example........the German Democratic Republic. Do you think East Germany was a democracy, dickhead?