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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Justin C who wrote (25489)	4/13/2008 7:30:46 PM
From: Kenneth E. Phillipps	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224728

The election will not be decided in the small towns or cities. It will be decided in the suburbs.

To: Justin C who wrote (25489)	4/13/2008 11:01:08 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Respond to of 224728

Exactly. Switching topics: It's amazing how many people don't realize mulitple wives are illegal in the US. Just read about 40 posts about the polygamist sect in TX and only half displayed common sense on the subject. Many Americans assume the Mormon Church is connected to the Fundamentalist group in TX..they split at least a century ago. The first post sounds as though it's from a woman who knows of what she speaks: >There IS absolute power & abuse in polygamy. But only from the men. They have total control of their families and have "sold" this "religion" over the generations to the women and children. If that`s all you know for generations, it is and stays the way you live. The men should`ve been rounded up & removed and questioning done with THEM off the property. The women & children questioned ON the property while the children were left in familiar surroundings! It is unforgivable for the state to abuse and traumatize the good, obedient and sweet women and children of this community. The damage done to these children is horrendous! Why is America putting up with this? These are good people with the exception of the men involved, some who use every inch of "power" their invented "religion" gives them. Make the masters accountable, not the innocent. Remove the men, question them, have them straighten childrens' identities or allow them to self-destroy the community instead of the state. The place would likely close down if the men were prevented from returning (because of non-cooperation). Brooke \| 7:43 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 We clearly live in a police state where religious teachings are not allowed. No prayer in school. Parents who believe in polygomy will not be allowed to raise them. They will be raised in Foster Homes where religion is frowned on. Every year they will be assigned to a new one. This action has been brought upon us by Godless judges and liberals. People need to tell Texas to give back the children!!! Their actions are evil. Blackbane \| 7:48 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 ---------------------------------------------------- Texas had four years to put together a solid case against these liars and abusers. All they needed was probable cause under the fourth amendment to move in. I hope the children never go back to their parents but that will be decided when the parents have their day in court. The children are now allowed to laugh and cry, something that wasn't allowed in their "loving" homes. mom" \| 9:32 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 ---------------------------------------------------- In the early 60's the state of Arizona did this same thing. What did anyone learn? It is against the law in the United States to practice having more than one wife. So why now with all these forty some years past is there the same practice still being allowed among the same families among the same church? Why haven't the men who are practicing something that is againt the laws of our contry still living out in the open and not being accountable. You allow the women of these men to be taken and the children. I can tell you as one who knows you will have problems for these children for the rest of their lives over the way this has been handled. Just because they are children and everyone can control a child but not it's parents. Mom: LDS \| 9:47 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 ---------------------------------------------- I'm simply amazed at how one news article has so drastically altered people's stated opinions from what y'all were saying yesterday. Grow brains \| 10:05 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 ---------------------------------------------- PEOPLE, POLYGAMY IS A CRIME. Figure it out! It appears that the majority of comments consider this dangerous cult to be a wonderful, delightiful lifestyle just minding it's own business. Polygamy is incredibly harmful to children, robs women of independent thought, costs the taxpayers millions a year in welfare fraud and assistance and is a haven for pedophiles and those wishing to engage in incestual behaviors. Absolutely criminal and should be ERADICATED from the planet. This Texas YFZ FLDS nonsense has to go the way of the dinosaur. Wake up. Anonymous \| 10:06 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 --------------------------------------------- Polygamy is wrong on many levels. If abuse is happening, it should be stopped. If underage marriage is forced, it should be stopped. However, in a society that allows (and often celebrates) gay relationships, gay "couples" adopting children, out-of-wedlock births and rampant divorce, for the government to punish every member of this society is ludicrous! Emma \| 10:14 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 --------------------------------------------------------- I feel very sad for the Children. I'm sure the Mothers are good to their young children but what about making your teenage girls get married so young and taking away their free agency????? The men are the ones who should have been taken away. I do have to say that the poor young girls are married way to young and do not have a freedom or Free agency to choose to go to college and marry a man she falls in love with. In my eyes that is abusive...Not letting them choose there Husband. When A female child/teenager is forced to get married and told it is what God wants her to do. I think that is abusive and needs to stop. It's one thing to choose it in your twenties but forced into in your teens is just Wrong and against the law. Girls need to be teenagers not teenage Mothers... Reenie \| 10:14 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 ------------------------------------------------ What does this article tell us? That the mothers love their children. So what. I really have no sympathy for any mother who turns her teenage daughters into puppy-mill-style baby factories. Reenie \| 10:36 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 -------------------------------------------------- I feel so sorry for the whole group. I think most of them are honest, hardworking people. But the men who had a hand in forcing the young girls to marry at such a young age, should be punished! They are SO wrong! To have taken all of these children away from their homes is not right either. Surely there are better ways to deal with this problem. Darin \| 10:39 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 -------------------------------------------------- Wow, this is what can happen to children because of their fathers. The children are paying for the sins of their fathers. End of story! What gives here? \| 10:49 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 ----------------------------------------------------- The mainstream LDS members would be better served to break up these compounds where abuse is systemic. They will tarnish the image of the church in the way the Islamic fundamentalists have tarnished mainstream Islam. It's really in your best interest to denounce these groups. Also, when you compare the Texas Rangers to the Nazis it really destroys your credibility. The Texas authorities had no choice but to follow up on the phone call from the distressed girl. What good is a help-line that ignores their callers? The reaction of removing the children was not based entirely on the phone call, it was based on 4 years of research into the community and interviews with informants and other sources. Listen to Truth \| 11:07 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 ----------------------------------------------------- Which FLDS leader chose to move to the state of Texas? Who did the research. Texas takes more children out of the home per capita than any other state. The FLDS people are breaking the law to allow young girls to marry and they were unwise to escape the 'safer haven' of Utah/Arizona to practice such crimes. They may be peace loving people, in general, but they certainly know that they are breaking the law and that anyone who breaks the law can and may be prosecuted at some time. They were not thinking of their families and children when they chose to walk at the edge of the cliff. Secret Society \| 11:13 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 ------------------------------------------------------ Another story about the victimized mothers. I notice the men are conspicuously silent. Most of the comments I have read lead me to believe that most people (myself included) could care less what alternative lifestyle their neighbors practice. Very few people however, will stand by and condone underage “marriages” of young girls to older men or the abandonment of the excess young boys. I’m a married mother of 3 beautiful children and I’m insulted that the FLDS teach their children that we “outsiders” in the world are evil and not to be trusted. It’s the same faulty generalization that the polygamists complain they are characterized by. It’s unfortunate that the Texas raid will have the unwanted effect of increasing their already substantial paranoia. Jeffs has not only brought himself down, but his entire congregation by wielding excessive power and control over their lives in creating his secret society. Most polygamists skirt bigamy laws by legally marrying only one wife. I personally don’t agree with polygamy and strongly object to welfare payments, but many polygamists have chosen to integrate into society and practice their faith without subjecting minors to these abuses. Obviously, the FLDS just can’t figure this out. Mom \| 11:31 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 ---------------------------------------------------- If the "men" on this compound were really men, they'd own up to the abuse and trauma they've put these women and children through and turn themselves in. I can understand why there is some reluctance to place these women back with their children. In Utah, the law they are violating is "failure to protect" when they know abuse is occuring and stand idly by. I'm sure Texas has a similar law. Don \| 11:33 a.m. Apr. 13, 2008 ----------------------------------------------------