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To: Ron who wrote (59580)	4/16/2008 2:08:42 PM
From: Dale Baker	Respond to of 542936

It's ironic that the "Reagan Democrats" that were successfully peeled off to the Republican corner 30-40 years ago don't seem to have prospered much as a result. They are generally unhappy with their economic lot and dissatisfied with where the country is going now. We'll see if they respond to the same button-pushing this election as before. I wouldn't bet a huge amount that the story line will be that much different this time. It's more likely that we would have to have an Obama presidency and see some real progress for them before attitudes shift.

To: Ron who wrote (59580)	4/16/2008 2:27:22 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542936

Mr. Frank complains that Republicans have deceived blue-collar Kansans — and their colleagues in other states — into voting against their own economic interests by distracting them into a conversation about traditional values and cultural concerns. There is a basic assumption underlying all of this that the Dems' economic policies are better for the little guys than that of the Reps. That gets little challenge. I think it should.

To: Ron who wrote (59580)	4/16/2008 3:39:08 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542936

So the more problematic language choice for Senator Obama was not the word “bitter,” it was his use of the word “cling,” which he seemed to use as a pejorative to describe why small-town voters prioritize their opinions on cultural matters like religion To me, the writer has properly assessed the problem. It was the word 'cling'. It touches on the notion of religion being the 'opiate of the masses' that offends many people. Altogether Obama's language was a little jarring to the same groups that were deeply antagonized by the kind of church and minister Obama likes. That group was already pretty lost to Obama, though, so I suspect this new brouha probably won't peel off many additional voters. The writer also pointed to the fact that the so-called values voters are something of an enigma to the Democratic party.....and the failure to connect has cost the party votes. The enigma is based simply, I think, on the fact that there is an understandable gulf between secular humanists on one side and those with a deep and traditional Christian belief system on the other side. The tragedy of this, IMO, is that this gulf has enabled the Republican party to FRAUDULENTLY draw the typical evangelical Christian in as voters.