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To: LindyBill who wrote (246209)4/17/2008 4:57:02 PM
From: michael97123  Respond to of 793927
 
Being part of the green movement doesnt bother me if we can start to reduce worldwide dependence on saudi and arab oil. Russians should be helping us more because theoretically if we throw technology at it we will hurt them too.



To: LindyBill who wrote (246209)4/17/2008 5:07:19 PM
From: skinowski  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793927
 
First step energy independence

Impossible.


Agree. I've been interested in this issue for some years now, and I believe that this concept of "independence" is indeed a Chimera. We will be forced to make adjustments in the way we use energy, but no "renewable" resource will come close to allowing us to go on living as if stores of energy out there are unlimited. If anyone wants to get a big car or truck - lease it, don't buy it. The way things go, some years down the road it may not be easy to sell it.



To: LindyBill who wrote (246209)4/18/2008 8:07:52 AM
From: Bridge Player  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793927
 
We need to seize the House of Saud by the throat and force them to pump more.

That may help prices for a few years, but is hardly a long-term solution looking out 10-20+ years, given the petroleum global supply/demand picture.



To: LindyBill who wrote (246209)4/22/2008 1:17:58 AM
From: Snowshoe  Respond to of 793927
 
>>We need to seize the House of Saud by the throat and force them to pump more.<<

Saudis Face Hurdle In New Oil Drilling
Big, Complex Field Seems to Mark End Of Easy Pickings

By NEIL KING JR.
April 22, 2008

Next year, if all goes well, Saudi Arabia will turn the spigots on the largest oil field to come online anywhere in the world since the late 1970s.

The Khurais complex, sprawling across a swath of red dunes and rocky plains half the size of Connecticut, is expected to add 1.2 million barrels a day to an oil market caught between growing demand and a paucity of significant new discoveries. The twin forces have led to historically high prices for crude oil, which settled at a record $117.48 on Monday.

But the project also illustrates a darker point: Even in Saudi Arabia, home to more than a quarter of the world's known recoverable reserves, the age of cheap and easily pumped oil is over.

To tap Khurais, Saudi Arabian Oil Co., known as Aramco, has embarked on the most complex earth- and water-moving project in its history. It is spending up to $15 billion on a vast network of pipes, oil-treatment facilities, deep horizontal wells and water-injection systems that it calls "one of the largest industrial projects being executed in the world today."

Moreover, with the project, Aramco is dipping into one of its last big basins of oil. After Khurais, Saudi Arabia will have only one known mega-field left to fully develop, the even more challenging Manifa field, offshore in the Persian Gulf. Much of the kingdom's reserves beyond these lie either in aging fields or smaller pockets.

"Khurais and Manifa are the last two giants in Saudi Arabia," says Sadad al-Husseini, a former Aramco vice president for oil exploration. "Sure, we will discover dozens of other smaller fields, but after these, we are chasing after smaller and smaller fish."

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Original: online.wsj.com