To: Rocket Red who wrote (112157 ) 4/19/2008 6:39:57 PM From: E. Charters Respond to of 313059 That is the way socialists do business. That is they way all governments do business. Wait for its citizens to prosper and then penalize the ones that succeed. They idea that they give the proceeds to the less fortunate is a bit of a hoot. Would that this were so. They create a rich civil service amongst those they wish to entitle. They force the vast masses into a sort of penal servitude to enrich the state. The average worker's salary in a pure socialist state is very low. It increases in proportion to the closeness to power in the government. Many socialist countries point with pride to their education system, and suggest that their other social welfare projects are more just and far reaching than imperialist countries. But we see that their courts only provide a pretense of fairness, and that the poor are still poor. If we look at the G7 countries, who do not impugn the ability of business to prosper, we see a far more universal level of education and more importantly a greater level of achievement of their graduate studies. It seems that were extrinsic motivation is greatest, intrinsic motivation increases by measure. Some will aver that it is the socialistic tendencies of more successful industrial countries which makes their the greater proportion of their citizenry better off. Medicare, welfare, etc.. But if you look at it closely you begin to see that this is not so. the relative poverty of a citizen in a G7 country who is on the bottom of the heap is far greater than the relative poverty of a peasant in a socialistic regime. Everybody is poor in a socialistic enterprise. Only a percentage are poor in the wealthy industrial countries. Their poverty stands out more. But as the Bible says, there will always be poor. Why is this so? I don't see dental, optical, and health programs worthy of the name amongst the poor of Canada. I don't see widespread employment programs for the have-nots in this country. All you hear from the poor in Canada is how hard it is to get a doctor and decent medical care. This is an iconic socialist-industrial democracy? What can we trace this inequity to? In all cases it seems that there is a poor system of re-dispersal of money. Money does not find its way directly from the overtaxed to the needy. (Even if it did I don't see what good it would do). It seems to end up in the pockets of a rich civil service and in the hands of contractors who make their living off providing rather expensive services to the government. Socialism as it is practiced in neo-populist states today, is not the providing universal government services to benefit the many over the few. What socialism most often does is provide a populistic system, with a skillful propaganda machine polishing its image to make money flow to people who are entrenched in administration of the state. Disregarding the self characterization that is constantly fed the populace by this media manipulation, this is no different than the system they had in France before the Revolution. EC<:-}