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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (120983)	4/19/2008 9:05:54 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

"Bush has never been bound by law..." False. "And he now admits he knew torture was going on. Link or Lie. "torture has been defined by the GC and the UN conventions....I know, I know, we don't obey rules that are not our own...cause we're better than any other country in everything." False. We are a sovereign self governing nation, willing and able to live by a system of law and justice designed by, for, and of the citizens who live here. "Chinese water torture"; a term I heard decades ago....everyone knows what it is, and we in the US certainly were taught that is was torture.... I wonder how you Bushies would view such a mild treatment in today's light?" I don't know what other people's views are, I don't know what a 'bushie' is except that it is probably another use of dishonorable snide insinuation by you. I don't approve of the use of coercion of information, except in self defense or when taking a stand for justice, in which case I insist upon the truth. Torture is not a reliable course of action when seeking the truth, so I reject it. You know that because I have oft repeated it. I, however, expect you to continue in your deceitful path of lies and personal attacks. You, apparently have nothing else.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (120983)	4/20/2008 10:49:44 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 173976

Then there are those whom Mrs. Clinton worked hard to win over but who have actually taken the step of endorsing Mr. Obama. These would include newer senators like Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, or older colleagues, like Senator John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia. There is also a large class of Obama supporters in the Senate for whom the Clintons raised considerable amounts of money. This includes Claire McCaskill of Missouri, who upset Mrs. Clinton in a 2006 appearance on “Meet the Press” when she told Tim Russert that while Mr. Clinton was a great leader, “I don’t want my daughter near him.” But the worst offenders, associates say, are former Clintonites who not only endorse Obama, but who also publicly criticize Mrs. Clinton’s campaign as they do so. Mr. Craig, a former law school classmate of Mrs. Clinton’s, became a charter member of this club when he wondered aloud (to Jonathan Alter of Newsweek) “if Hillary’s campaign can’t control Bill, whether Hillary’s White House could.”

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (120983)	4/20/2008 10:50:18 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

But then the race got nasty in South Carolina, and Mr. Obama started winning and Mrs. Larson started reconsidering. “There was something about Senator Obama that I found really fresh and exciting,” she said. “I like how positive he has been.” She also spoke of “the destructive negativity” of the Clinton campaign. Then Chelsea Clinton called a second time, last Saturday night, and kept asking “why?” “I didn’t want to get into my reasons,” Mrs. Larson said. “I just told her it was something I had to do.” nytimes.com