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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (120994)	4/19/2008 10:35:22 PM
From: Land Shark	Respond to of 173976

>"I don't approve of the use of coercion of information, except in self defense or when taking a stand for justice, in which case I insist upon the truth." That looks like a clear admission of not only being aware of it going on, but also making it a policy. The lowlife then has a few of the front line torturers prosecuted to avert public attention. What a slimeball that Chimp is. But we all knew that.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (120994)	4/22/2008 12:18:26 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

Thanks. That is a good article that makes the concise point I have addressed several times and you have quibbled into your usual style of meaningless drivel. "...the application of waterboarding and other widely-condemned interrogation techniques." I have stated that I find torture to be abhorrent and condemnable across time and circumstance without exception. I have added other levels of coercion to my list condemnable practices. In fact, I go far beyond what you would include in the naughty list. I, for example, include your deceitful tactics on this thread among my list. However, 'widely condemning' things associated with the bush administration means little or nothing on its own, especially when it is coming from his partisan competition. Had you condemned Clinton in 1995 for initiating the cooperative programs of interogation which included the interrogation of captured terrorist suspects by foriegn entities, I might take your current criticisms more serious. This change in 1995 was a mistake IMO. "If you consider what the government did to be torture, which is a crime according to U.S. and international law, Bush's statement shifts his role from being an accessory after the fact to being part of a conspiracy to commit." The author contradicts himself the same way you do. He references the U.S. law which makes torture a crime and uses your opinion which is not a legal measure that can be used to judge whether or not a crime has been committed. Your missing link, as I've mentioned repeatedly, is in having those techniques identified as torture by the legal authority tasked with judging the issue. Water boarding and those 'widely condemned' interrogation techniques are not, at least not at this point in time, considered torture by the system of justice we use to judge the issue. I would be fine with outlawing them for other reasons or with including them under the definition of torture. Until that is done, however, no crime has been committed.