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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (60918)4/23/2008 7:34:04 AM
From: Sam  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 542126
 
If you think Hillary plays dirty, you will be getting a dose of reality come the general elections. This cry baby stuff is not going to cut it. "Mama, Mama, Hillary just said......boohoo, boohooo"

Um, excuse me, but Hillary started the "cry baby" stuff awhile ago with her, "Oh, the press is giving Obama a free pass" business, and "They're all picking on me." And now, of course, you/she/her supporters come out with "If you can't stand the heat" business. So absurd.

I am well aware that the Republicans will play as dirty as they deem necessary. That was the main point of the post--that Hillary is helping them refine their message for the summer/fall. There was no "cry baby" in the post. She does what she thinks is necessary to win. Good for her. IMHO, she is helping to hand the election to McCain. She totally underestimated Obama, she ran a campaign that basically ignored the Democratic rules of proportionality because she was cocky, and now she is trying to pull out all the stops to make up for her mistake. Good for her. She and hubby Bill are alienating a fair portion of the party while they are doing it, and even more importantly, alienating independents. That is more important because you're right, I will vote for her anyway, even if i have to hold my nose, because I think McCain will be a disaster. But Independents won't, and that will hand the election to him and the Republicans again. She is also turning off the young voters who are showing up for Obama, and will lost them for the party in the future. But this is the woman who "wept" because she "cares so very much about this country she loves" and she knows it is going in the wrong direction and wants to fix it. As if she couldn't have had a larger impact fixing it as a power broker in the Senate with an Obama presidency rather than as a Senator with a McCain presidency.

Once again, we are finding a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Way ta go, guys....



To: Mary Cluney who wrote (60918)4/23/2008 8:42:50 AM
From: Travis_Bickle  Respond to of 542126
 
Gee I've followed the election closely and the only candidate who has actually cried in public is Hillary.