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To: Lane3 who wrote (61005)	4/23/2008 11:43:00 AM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542787

Actually, fascism is a totalitarian system, along with communism. Socialism, as you noted, is simply an economic system. Authoritarian systems are generally aimed at keeping people out of the political system (think Latin American military juntas and African strongmen presidents ) while totalitarian regimes dictate their participation in it (like all German boys being forced into the Hitler Youth, to raise that one again, or the Soviet equivalent).

To: Lane3 who wrote (61005)	4/23/2008 11:46:27 AM
From: HPilot	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542787

Fascism isn't even an economic system. See how far off that is? Yes it is that and more. You only recall the dictators and their nationalism. The Labour Charter of 1927, promulgated by the Grand Council of Fascism, stated in article 7: "The corporative State considers private initiative, in the field of production, as the most efficient and useful instrument of the Nation," then goes on to say in article 9 that: "State intervention in economic production may take place only where private initiative is lacking or is insufficient, or when are at stakes the political interest of the State. This intervention may take the form of control, encouragement or direct management."

To: Lane3 who wrote (61005)	4/24/2008 12:16:31 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542787

Fascism isn't even an economic system. Fascism is associated with commanding the economy, and insisting actors in it get behind the government's plans, without actually owning the industries (at least not for the most part). Now they are most known for intense nationalism, but lots of other types of people are nationalist. Nationalism is just one aspect of fascism. I would not call Obama or Hillary (or McCain for that matter) fascist, but I can see why Hugh calls their health care plans fascist. Should they expand such new controls to other areas, and also push them with nationalist rhetoric and thuggish enforcement, than I would call them fascists.