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To: Katelew who wrote (61038)	4/23/2008 12:34:59 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542131

It was much more fun and emotionally satisfying to get pulled into the excitement of Obama. The press went along, of course. That is a very patronizing view, Kate. One of Hillary's problems is not really understanding what Obama supporters were looking for in a candidate. Dismissing them as ditzy dreamers is insulting, and part of the reason she fell behind and remains behind in the "who's ahead" categories. It's also an endemic problem for the long-term Beltway creatures who know nothing except their own relative power position. The attitude that there can be no choice except the inevitable Hillary nomination was another one of her weaknesses. I am glad you are happy with her success. I will vote for her in November with no great joy or passion if it comes to that. I seriously doubt I will ever like her much. That is not a crime, conspiracy, moral failing or psychological defect on my part.

To: Katelew who wrote (61038)	4/23/2008 12:36:51 PM
From: Travis_Bickle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542131

Re romantic ideas, what about hustling down the tarmac with her head held low, hoping to scoot to safety before the snipers in yon hills could draw a bead on her? Or going hunting for the first time in her life and accepting the dares of the menfolk, drawing a bead on a somewhat rare banded duck and taking it down with a single shot? Or pounding down boilermakers with the tough but noble steelworkers who built this country from the sweat of their brows? The decades of public service, the seemingly insurmountable hurdles conquered, persevering in the face of unimaginable adversity, bringing peace to war-torn nations, the hills are alive with the sound of music? Hillary is the Lord Byron of politics.

To: Katelew who wrote (61038)	4/23/2008 12:51:48 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542131

Katelew; Obama quickly became a romantic IDEA and a passionate movement developed. She quickly became a tired old workhorse. It was much more fun and emotionally satisfying to get pulled into the excitement of Obama Well your old workhorse has been constantly "throwing turds". They could be called "horse turds" I suppose. Instead of inspiring voters she has relied on the old Washington DC machine. While Clinton places the blame on everyone other than herself, Obama floats in money from "the people". While Clinton relies on the old and the poor who have become the base of the democratic party, the wealthy and the educated vote for Obama. If you want to call OBama a "passionate movement" and you want to call Hillary a "tired old workhorse", my only comment is why in the world do you want to pick the tired old workhorse? steve