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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (62209)4/28/2008 3:24:00 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 541334
 
Maybe some of us just think Hillary sucks as a candidate. We think taking one for team America and supporting Hillary might mean taking it up a rather inconvenient orrifice. You know, as much as you loooooove Hillary, she isn't necessarily the "right" choice, nor is she provably the best choice. I know you love her. I know for you she's the best choice but to hear you talk about "egos emotions and dreams" the way you go on about Hillary is more than a little ironic.

I'll vote for any democrat- but Hillary is not a great choice, imo. You really need to stop thinking that everyone who dislikes her, or likes Obama, is deluded. They just think differently than you do.



To: Mary Cluney who wrote (62209)4/28/2008 4:29:55 PM
From: Glenn Petersen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541334
 
For Obama, a Voice of Doom?

ROUGH SKETCH

By Dana Milbank
Washington Post

April 28, 2008

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, explaining this morning why he had waited so long before breaking his silence about his incendiary sermons, offered a paraphrase from Proverbs: "It is better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Barack Obama's pastor would have been wise to continue to heed that wisdom.

Should it become necessary in the months from now to identify the moment that doomed Obama's presidential aspirations, attention is likely to focus on the hour between nine and ten this morning at the National Press Club. It was then that Wright, Obama's longtime pastor, reignited a controversy about race from which Obama had only recently recovered - and added lighter fuel.

Speaking before an audience that included Marion Barry, Cornel West, Malik Zulu Shabazz of the New Black Panther Party and Nation of Islam official Jamil Muhammad, Wright praised Louis Farrakhan, defended the view that Zionism is racism, accused the United States of terrorism, repeated his view that the government created the AIDS virus to cause the genocide of racial minorities, stood by other past remarks ("God damn America") and held himself out as a spokesman for the black church in America.

In front of 30 television cameras, Wright's audience cheered him on as the minister mocked the media and, at one point, did a little victory dance on the podium. It seemed as if Wright, jokingly offering himself as Obama's vice president, was actually trying to doom Obama; a member of the head table, American Urban Radio's April Ryan, confirmed that Wright's security was provided by bodyguards from Farrakhan's Nation of Islam.

Wright suggested that Obama was insincere in distancing himself from his pastor. "He didn't distance himself," Wright announced. "He had to distance himself, because he's a politician, from what the media was saying I had said, which was anti-American."

Explaining further, Wright said friends had written to him and said, "We both know that if Senator Obama did not say what he said, he would never get elected." The minister continued: "Politicians say what they say and do what they do based on electability, based on sound bites, based on polls."

Wright also argued, at least four times over the course of the hour, that he was speaking not for himself but for the black church.

"This is not an attack on Jeremiah Wright," the minister said. "It is an attack on the black church." He positioned himself as a mainstream voice of African American religious traditions. "Why am I speaking out now?" he asked. "If you think I'm going to let you talk about my mama and her religious tradition, and my daddy and his religious tradition and my grandma, you got another thing coming."

That significantly complicates Obama's job as he contemplates how to extinguish Wright's latest incendiary device. Now, he needs to do more than express disagreement with his former pastor's view; he needs to refute his former pastor's suggestion that Obama privately agrees with him.

Wright seemed aggrieved that his inflammatory quotations were out of the full "context" of his sermons -- yet he repeated many of the same accusations in the context of a half-hour Q&A session this morning.

His claim that the September 11 attacks mean "America's chickens are coming home to roost"?

Wright defended it: "Jesus said, 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.' You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you. Those are biblical principles, not Jeremiah Wright bombastic divisive principles."

His views on Farrakhan and Israel? "Louis said 20 years ago that Zionism, not Judaism, was a gutter religion. He was talking about the same thing United Nations resolutions say, the same thing now that President Carter's being vilified for and Bishop Tutu's being vilified for. And everybody wants to paint me as if I'm anti-Semitic because of what Louis Farrakhan said 20 years ago. He is one of the most important voices in the 20th and 21st century; that's what I think about him. . . . Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He did not put me in chains, he did not put me in slavery, and he didn't make me this color."

He denounced those who "can worship God on Sunday morning, wearing a black clergy robe, and kill others on Sunday evening, wearing a white Klan robe." He praised the communist Sandinista regime of Nicaragua. He renewed his belief that the government created AIDS as a means of genocide against people of color ("I believe our government is capable of doing anything").

And he vigorously renewed demands for an apology for slavery: "Britain has apologized to Africans. But this country's leaders have refused to apologize. So until that apology comes, I'm not going to keep stepping on your foot and asking you, does this hurt, do you forgive me for stepping on your foot, if I'm still stepping on your foot. Understand that? Capisce?"

Capisce, reverend. All too well.

blog.washingtonpost.com



To: Mary Cluney who wrote (62209)4/28/2008 6:25:48 PM
From: Rambi  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541334
 
Why should we gamble with nominating Obama?

Some find Hillary a totally unacceptable alternative, Mary. You seem to be utterly incapable of understanding this. The risks of Obama fail to change their minds.

And some don't believe that the relationship with his pastor defines Obama- certainly not to the extent Hillary supporters want it to.
And conservatives, who still see an Obama-McCain matchup coming down the road, are delighted with the controversy.

I am really tired of you telling people that it is up to them to give up their dreams, take one for the team, do it for the good of the country.
Those are YOUR desires, Mary, not some Gospel truth from on high. A lot of people believe Hillary is the one doing damage. Gee, bet you don't see that at all.