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To: marcos who wrote (68938)	4/29/2008 9:49:58 PM
From: average joe	Respond to of 74559

"Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand

To: marcos who wrote (68938)	4/30/2008 1:41:01 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 74559

Marcos you are right that in barbarian societies, that's the way it works. What I'm proposing is something different. A couple of centuries ago, there was no such thing as a limited liability company. Now the concept is accepted as a normal part of life. You are right that a citizenship NOW expires at the end of a life. I'm proposing something different. Of course there is no common law or precedent on the matter. This is new. When the wheel and CDMA were invented, there was no common law or precedent on them either. If we live in the past and always look to the past for guidance to the future, we will live like barbarians forever. Progress comes from imagining things how they can be, not from how they were done in the past. Quite right, in the current rules: < no one has the right to enter, absent consent of the tribe or whoever is in charge of it > Also, in the rules I propose. But the mechanism would change from a bribed or other ridiculous method to a valuation of assets method and payment for same. In modern societies, money is used as a method of determining value and exchanging value. In citizenship creation, being mates of those in charge is currently the method, which of course leads to all sorts of bribery and stupidity. Not to mention Mexicans busting into the USA and waiting until they have the numbers then simply taking over. Mexicans pay to be moved in. As do others. People pay to bust into all sorts of countries. Where citizenship is not priced, people don't realize what huge value is being given away with nothing [or little] in exchange. Your forestry company executive came up with about the right number in my calculations too. The average NZ citizen wouldn't have a clue what the value per capita of NZ is. They'd probably guess something in the realm of $100,000 and maybe less. What it could be worth is a heck of a lot more than what it is worth. There are some official valuations, such as the road safety cost per life which in NZ is something like NZ$2 million. GDP per capita suggests a similar valuation. Since GDP per capita is based on a society of bludgers, it's easy to imagine that the GDP and value could be dramatically improved if bludging was made unfashionable and sensible economic decisions which increase community value were made, instead of pork barrel decisions. Mqurice