To: russet who wrote (81 ) 5/4/2008 5:18:38 PM From: sageyrain Respond to of 185 I think this is correct, here is one small example: ------------------- This is why you don’t put an official NOAA temperature sensor over concrete 21 04 2008 You’d think the answer would be obvious, but here we have a NOAA operated USHCN climate station of record providing a live experiment. It always helps to illustrate with photos. Today I surveyed a sewage treatment plant, one of 4 stations surveyed today (though I tried for 5) and found that for convenience, they had made a nice concrete walkway to allow servicing the Fisher-Porter rain gauge, which needs a paper punch tape replaced one a month. Here is what you see in visible light: <photo> Here is what the infrared camera sees: <photo> Note that the concrete surface is around 22-24°C, while the grassy areas are between 12-19°C This station will be rated a CRN5 by this definition from the NOAA Climate Reference Network handbook, section 2.2.1: Class 5 (error >~= 5C) - Temperature sensor located next to/above an artificial heating source, such a building, roof top, parking lot, or concrete surface.” Now a caveat: There had just been a light rain, and skies had been overcast, it had just started to clear and you can see some light shadows in the visible image. Had this rainfall and overcast not occurred, the differences between grass and concrete temperatures would likely be greater. Unfortunately I was unable to wait around for full sun conditions. The air temperature was 58°F (14.4°C) according to my thermometer at the time. Here is another view which shows the NOAA sensor array, the sky, and the evidence of recent rainfall as evidenced by the wet parking lot: Why NOAA allows installations like this I’ll never understand. And this station is a USHCN climate station of record, used in who knows how many climate studies. I’ll tell you more on this station and others I surveyed tomorrow.wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com