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To: Katelew who wrote (62847)	5/1/2008 5:42:25 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 542946

Nothing really wrong with this, of course, and all candidates are fashioned to some extent. For me, though, it jars with the expectation that he would somehow be a new, unique, and specially gifted POTUS. Interesting. I guess I've never seen him as new in the sense you have. I've always assumed that getting the local nomination for the state senate (jumping over others to get that) and getting the nomination for the US senate (ditto, despite the unusual primary and general campaigns), meant that Obama was both unusually ambitious and knew how to play the game better than others. And others saw him that way. But I've also always seen him as more than that. Dick Durbin is that and one of my favorite senators but he doesn't have the "more" that Obama does.

To: Katelew who wrote (62847)	5/2/2008 6:33:14 AM
From: NAG1	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542946

Kate, For me, the interesting thing is that if these articles have any semblance of truth to them, it shows Obama as a politician who is taking credit for things others have done. One of the things I was impressed by Obama was his passage of the bill on videotaping. The previous articles made it sound like it was his idea and a significant accomplishment. Now these articles bring that into doubt. There has been a lot of grousing from Obama supporters of the press treatment of Obama lately and how Clinton's and her supporters grousing about her treatment in the press is unfair in that light. I find it interesting that HC makes a statement about a trip to Bosnia in which she, giving her the benefit of the doubt, either misremembered or just outright lied to make herself seem like a better candidate. What did it take, less that a month, probably more like a couple of days, for the press to flesh out what the truth was here. In this story with Obama, this is an accomplishment Obama has been touting on his resume for a long time and we are just finding out this now after the primary season is mostly over. Everybody said that Clinton's political machine would dig up all the dirt and that Obama would be properly vetted by this. Doesn't seem to be the case in hindsight. Neal