To: combjelly who wrote (382127 ) 5/16/2008 4:59:05 AM From: Joe NYC Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1576177 cj,That leaves Shiastan and Loserstan(tm Elroy). At one point, we came up with the following separation: Kurdistan Insurgistan Shiraq It's funny how time flies...So, assuming we have leadership with any brains, there will be a situation that can be managed. A unified Iraq is probably not possible. Especially one that is US positive. At least initially. We have Kurdistan in our pocket. Or, at least should. We can also lure Shiastan, but it will take time and a more, should I use the word, nuanced policy. There is one immovable obstacle to this: The US State Department. Whether under Democrat or Republican, they are solidly against partitions. They have been against partition of Soviet Union, original Yugoslavia, they were not too thrilled about German unification either. Just few examples. It is an institutional bias of the career employees (maybe they teach that stuff in political science BS). Shiastan should be too wealthy to track with the mullahs in Iran. Sure, they will want to try it, but I doubt if they will accept second class citizenship. And that opens the option of eventually sucking Iran back into the orbit of the West. Because a Western-centric Shiastan will attract the middle and upper class Iranians. And that marginalizes the mullahs. With Iran, it all boils down to tomatoes and zucchini. Both have become central to Iranian cuisine. And both have been in short supply in recent years. Comfort food has an irrational attraction. If the ruling regime can't provide it, then there are problems. And tomatoes, in particular, are very difficult to come by in Iran. Foreign trade is an issue that can cause the ruling mullahs a lot of problems. If a Shiastan can readily get cheap tomatoes, then Iran will have their equivalent of a Boston Tea Party... Interesting ideas. One thing to keep in mind is that this kind of peaceful undermining of the mullahs (or dictators in general) is inversly related to the ruthlesness of the dictator (just my opinion). So even under an ideal outcome - peaceful and prosperous Shiastan - the mullahs (and whoever their pawn is as president) can always suppress the discent, if they choose to be sufficiently ruthless. Joe