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To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (120545)5/4/2008 1:13:38 PM
From: Think4YourselfRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849
 
re: " If there is no Fifth fleet there is no Iran."

This is not the debate, never was, and never will be.

In a nutshell, no one is saying Iran would win, including Iran. The issue is Bush, Cheney, and their kind are willing to sacrifice the Fifth Fleet just so that they can start a war with Iran. It is NOT an issue of who wins or loses the war, although Russia and/or China may well be drawn in to the fighting.

If you are going to respond, PLEASE read up on the subject first. No offense intended but you are coming across as someone who has no idea what is going on, or what the fallout will be.



To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (120545)5/4/2008 2:07:43 PM
From: Jim McMannisRespond to of 306849
 
County bankruptcies soar
Consumer filings rose 122% in '07 as refinancing rules tightened

Ventura County consumer bankruptcy filings jumped 122 percent last year as lenders toughened refinancing requirements, area bankruptcy attorneys say.

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