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To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (34455)	5/5/2008 12:30:43 PM
From: abuelita	Respond to of 217547

well said blackie.

To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (34455)	5/5/2008 12:55:51 PM
From: Rolla Coasta	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217547

Iran says new talks with U.S. on Iraq meaningless news.yahoo.com By Hossein Jaseb TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran on Monday dismissed any prospect of new talks with the United States on Iraq, accusing U.S.-led forces on Monday of a "massacre" of the Iraqi people. The two foes last year held three rounds of ground-breaking discussions in Baghdad, easing a diplomatic freeze of almost three decades, but Iraqi officials have expressed frustration that a fourth round has failed to get off the ground. Iraq says it does not want its soil to become a battleground for a proxy war between the United States and Iran, which are also at loggerheads over Iran's disputed nuclear program. "Right now, what we observe in Iraq is a massacre of the Iraqi nation by the occupying forces," Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told a news conference. "Concerning this situation, talks with America will have no results and will be meaningless." Hosseini did not elaborate, but U.S. forces have been fighting daily battles with militiamen loyal to anti-American Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr in Baghdad for several weeks. Washington accuses Iran of funding, arming and training "rogue" elements of Sadr's Mehdi Army to attack U.S. and Iraqi forces, despite its public commitment to stabilizing Iraq. Tehran blames the violence on the U.S. presence in Iraq. In Washington, State Department spokesman Tom Casey criticized Iran for its latest statements and reiterated U.S. accusations of Iranian meddling in its neighbor's affairs. "It is meaningless to have talks on anything with Iran as long as they don't change their behavior. That said, we have continued to be willing and ready, and are willing and ready, to have additional discussions with the Iranians through this tripartite channel," Casey told reporters. Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari said there was no point in continuing the talks at this point. "We see the value of the talks to be continued, but when the conditions are right and conducive," he told the U.S. television news network CNN. SHI'ITE MILITIAS Despite the mutual accusations, U.S. and Iranian officials had launched talks in May last year aimed at easing bloodshed in Iraq. The fourth meeting has been postponed repeatedly. The Iranian Foreign Ministry also voiced support for Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in cracking down on "illegal" Shi'ite militias, after an Iraqi delegation urged Tehran to stop backing such groups. The U.S. military said last week "very, very significant" amounts of Iranian arms had been found in Basra and Baghdad during an offensive against gunmen loyal to Sadr. Maliki has ordered the formation of a committee to compile evidence of Iranian "interference" in Iraq that would then be presented to Tehran, Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh Dabbagh said on Sunday. Hosseini said Tehran had always supported stability in Iraq. "What Iran has repeatedly said ... was its support for Mr Maliki's government," Hosseini said. "Iran believes that illegal armed groups that committed crimes should be legally confronted." Ties between Iran and Iraq have improved since Sunni Arab strongman Saddam Hussein was ousted in the U.S.-led invasion and a Shi'ite-led government came to power in Baghdad. Analysts say Tehran wants to keep a friendly government in charge while ensuring that rival Iraqi Shi'ite factions look to Iran as a power broker. (Additional reporting by Parisa Hafezi, Aseel Kami in Baghdad, and Sue Plemingin Washington; Writing by Fredrik Dahl, editing by Ross Colvin and Myra MacDonald)

To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (34455)	5/5/2008 2:45:30 PM
From: Tom Daly	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 217547

Black Swan, As to the killings, I believe most of the dead were ethnic Tibetans, not Han Chinese. Finding it hard to corroborate what you say. Is that from the Dalai Lama'a Web site.. What I find from the rest of the world thinks differently. No, not from the Dalai Lama's web site but from my memory and recollections of the stories I heard during the riots a couple of months ago. But obviously my memory was faulty and my statement was incorrect. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. How convenient for you eh ? Frankly that's the point.. Saying that is lame and hypocritical.. IMHO. As you can see from my previous post, what I was referring to as lame was TJ's statement - "ok, i stand with you, as long as you can vacate all of the 50 states and return the key to the empire to that natives who will doubtlessly say yes should they be offered a chance". Nowhere did I ever advocate the Chinese getting out of Tibet. I did state multiple times that all parties must operate within the current political situation as it is and proceed accordingly. The situation with the millions of Chinese living there and the Chinese government ruling Tibet is what it is - everyone should just deal with it and move on. I was very clear on this in a number of posts. I included quotes from the Dalai Lama along these same lines and all TJ did multiple times was rehash the "get out of N.America and leave it to the Indians" argument. The issue of anyone getting out of somewhere was put to bed, settled & discredited long ago and it keeps popping up for no apparent reason again & again. That is what I labeled "lame" but try looking at Iraq ... yell and scream at YOUR government to GTF outta there.. or is that not viable also? Yelling & screaming at the US Government to get out of Iraq is certainly viable - that debacle was a horrendous mistake and never should have taken place. It has caused the displacement of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians and the deaths and maiming of an inordinate number of people. There are many anti-war organizations, campaigns & web-sites dedicated to ending the misery, multiple lobbying efforts directed at members of Congress and innumerable newspaper and magazine opinion pieces dedicated to stopping the war. Maybe we'll be able to elect someone who will change the course in Iraq. Additionally, local individuals get involved and do what they can. For example, not far from where I live, there is a group of people who have set up at the same major intersection every weekend for close to five years now and demonstrated against the war & handed out literature despite going through periods of verbal and physical abuse. Its nice to be able to live somewhere where citizens and groups can conduct all this activity without worrying about being thrown in prison. You've frankly gone from a great sentiment to the new heights in hypocrisy. Sorry you feel this way but frankly I don't feel as if I've risen to new heights of hypocrisy. I made a mistake in my last post which you corrected and otherwise have tried to be reasonable in what I've discussed. Certainly far from perfect but at least reasonable. Tom