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To: Cogito who wrote (63567)	5/5/2008 5:01:54 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543579

<<<President Bush and his people have continuously reminded me, with the way they have conducted themselves, of a gang of schoolyard bullies. I'd be very pleased to have a President, of either sex, who did not have that kind of attitude.>>> Hillary was a different person in the early 1990's. She was fighting to reform healthcare. She lost and learned from that experience. Her core beliefs are the same as they were in the early 90's, the difference is that she was getting experience and growing as a person. All really smart people, with the proper education, grow through the same process. That is just life. You have to grow. You have to learn throughout life. Okay, you don't think being First Lady meant anything. I disagree, but look at she did after leaving the wh. She ran for the Senate and for the last 10 years work at being a great senator from New York. I have some (almost) personal knowledge of how hard she worked at being Senator. (A friend's son - not even a democrat - was in a serious auto accident got a phone call not from an aide, but from her personally) She may have a lot of enenmies in the Senate, but no one will tell you that whe was not effective and didn't do her homework. The big problem is that you do not think that being First Lady means anything. People like Mamie Eisenhower or Bess Truman didn't have any ambitions and they probably did not get much out of their experience in the White House. However Hillary is different from those ladies. The big problem with George W. Bush is that he was a slacker. He admitted to that. He didn't study. He didn't have curiosity. He drank and partied most of his life. He didn't have to struggle. He didn't have to prove himself. He was never tested. Just when did he catch up. When did he sit down and read all the books he should have read. When did he develop the self discipline to understand policy issues and get into their details? When did he grow up?

To: Cogito who wrote (63567)	5/5/2008 5:02:24 PM
From: NAG1	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543579

Allen, << I am able to grasp the idea of a metaphor. I realize that he did not mean to convey the information that Hillary Clinton has three testicles, whereas Barack Obama has only one. After all, how would Carville know that about Obama?>> Don't start any rumors ;-). <<It's also fatuous to suggest that Obama isn't tough enough to deal with the rough territory of the Presidency.>> I don't see how you can tell if Obama is or isn't tough enough to deal with the rough territory of the Presidency. He is an untested quantity here. <<There are people who go around looking for fights. They always seem to be able to find them. We don't need such people at the top of the Executive Branch of our government.>> I agree with what you say here. But being tough doesn't mean that you get into fights. Lots of times, being tough(and maybe the correct word should be tenacious since all these negative connotations are being attached to the word tough) can help you avoid fights. Neal