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To: Sam who wrote (63642)5/6/2008 5:03:09 AM
From: Bearcatbob  Respond to of 542171
 
When the US has done a better job than those who have signed Kyoto to slow the growth of CO2 emissions I think you have to say - they do not give a flip about the issue. To think radically changing the US economy in a vacuum is going to do anything but hurt the US is simply not fully analyzing the issue.

Below is an interesting dynamic in Ohio when one the left of the left isn't supporting the climate bill.

cleveland.com

Sens. George Voinovich, Sherrod Brown agree in opposition to Lieberman-Warner legislation to fight global warming
Voinovich, Brown agree to oppose Monday, May 05, 2008Stephen KoffPlain Dealer Bureau Chief
Washington -- After years of debate over global warming, a measure to dramatically reduce carbon emissions in the United States is set to come to the U.S. Senate floor in June.

But Ohio's two senators are likely to vote against it, contributing to what many people expect will be the bill's failure.

George Voinovich and Sherrod Brown come at environmental issues from different ideological positions, so their approaches on climate change form an unusual intersection. There are two constants: Voinovich, a conservative, and Brown, a liberal, agree that global warming is real.

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And both represent the rust-belt state of Ohio, with a concentration of industry that relies on carbon-heavy coal for its electrical power.

Both worry that this global-warming bill -- the only one to make it this far -- could drive up costs dramatically for Ohio industry. Industry's biggest worry is that the bill will prompt a rapid switch from cheap, abundant-but-dirty coal to natural gas in order to reduce carbon dioxide emissions. Natural gas is clean, but its price could soar with that kind of demand. Other sources of alternative energy are not yet abundant enough for Ohio's industrial economy, industry representatives say.

"I have serious concerns about any climate-change bill that doesn't take into account energy-intensive industries like we have in Ohio -- glass and chemicals and steel and aluminum and foundries," Brown says.

Voinovich says, "This bill is going to have enormous costs on just the ordinary citizen's energy costs and have a dramatic impact on middle-class Americans' standard of living, particularly those people who are retired and the poor."

Environmental coalitions say these positions are misguided -- that a climate-change bill along with conservation would actually reduce consumer energy prices. They hope to persuade one of the senators -- Brown -- to consider other views.

"Wind is ready to go. Biomass is ready to go," says Tom Bullock, the Pew Environmental Trust's Ohio representative. "And especially energy efficiency is ready to go."

This would start a slow but steady glide toward carbon reductions, he and others say, as other technologies develop....................



To: Sam who wrote (63642)5/6/2008 7:27:41 AM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 542171
 
if there is still any hope of averting or even adapting to what is happening.

Interesting to see you mention "adapting." I don't think I've ever seen that word used by an advocate. It's all about mitigation. If you run into a serious discussion of adaptation as a strategy, I'd appreciate your posting it.